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Sats 2019: What did you think of the first maths test?

Discussion in 'Primary' started by TES_Rosaline, May 15, 2019.

  1. TES_Rosaline

    TES_Rosaline Administrator Staff Member

    Were the papers fair? Did your pupils have enough time to finish the papers? How did they feel after the test?
  2. bigbop

    bigbop New commenter

    Arithmetic has been taken up a notch. Reasoning probably fair overall.
  3. PetalLove

    PetalLove New commenter

    The arithmetic paper wasn't bad, considering the children have been taught what they should know. It would be nice if they didn't always swamp the end with fractions! 30 minutes is too tight for all the children to complete the test in, bearing in mind there are such a range of abilities within a cohort, and the extra time, is barely anything.

    The reasoning paper wasn't particularly bad, but they have definitely made it slightly more challenging than before.
  4. joetodd16

    joetodd16 New commenter

    Arithmetic was ok!

    The reasoning - I just get so frustrated that the always seem to add an extra 'twist' or 'add-on' to an already complex question. I feel that the children who find maths quite tough are just destined to fail as they always seem to add an extra step each time which is very frustrating!
  5. nancymancey

    nancymancey New commenter

    Completely agree. My GD children would have managed okay (fingers crossed!) but my EXS chn have struggled on the questions at the end for that exact reason :-(
  6. ladams091988

    ladams091988 New commenter

    Felt the arithmetic was Ok and most finished well before the 30 minutes was over. However, the reasoning had far to many 'twists' 'add ons' like others have mentioned that meant that some were left puzzled or didn't quite reach the answer that was required.

    Hopefully tomorrow's reasoning test will be slightly kinder than today's but if previous years are anything to go by then probably not.

    Good luck to everyone for tomorrow!
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  7. MaryDG

    MaryDG New commenter

    Arithmetic has certainly gone up but not significantly. Luckily we use white rose assessments and I felt it was more like them.
    Reasoning was exactly as above states, reasonably fair at first glance but with extra steps added to make it hard for expected level kids.
    Outside of what tomorrow might bring, I'm feeling threshold may drop down but not a huge amount (unfortunately!)
    Best of luck to all for tomorrow
  8. laurenc88

    laurenc88 New commenter

    Was it just me.... Draw 2 lines for the three shapes?!?!? Horrible :- (
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  9. ladams091988

    ladams091988 New commenter

    Certainly not. Mine had the same issue. Some even trying for 10 minutes even though it was only 1 mark. It was definitely a horrible one.
  10. cornflake

    cornflake Senior commenter

    It was also actually really hard to see the two lines, because they had used lined paper rather than isometric.
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  11. MadHatter1985

    MadHatter1985 New commenter

    I thought the arithmetic was similar to previous years, and there were no nasty surprises there - perhaps slightly more harder fractions and division questions than previous years, so slightly more challenging then previously. Most of mine finished on time, but a few didn't quite make it.
    I thought the reasoning increased properly in difficulty throughout the paper, starting gently. Probably fair overall.
  12. misshughessph

    misshughessph New commenter

    Krypton factor tasks!
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  13. jonnycos2003

    jonnycos2003 New commenter

    I thought the arithmetic was fine but a significant chunk of the reasoning was very challenging for pupils who are not higher ability. The question mentioned above was awful. I found myself wondering what I'd actually teach in order to prepare children to solve a question like that. It was more of a logic puzzle than a maths question.
  14. sunshineneeded

    sunshineneeded Star commenter

    Arithmetic was ok, pretty much as expected and the children coped well with it. Reasoning was another story. GDs were OK with most of it, but the draw-two-lines question had more than one in tears. I had to look at it for several minutes before I could see the answer! And most of the kids who are not GD really struggled with several questions and either missed some out or didn't get to the end.
    Hope paper 3 is kinder for them. Last day tomorrow, everyone!
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  15. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    There is no failure, just a statement that, 'The expected standard has not been reached.':rolleyes:What a lovely gift for a child to have at the end of their State primary education.:oops:
  16. Sally006

    Sally006 Senior commenter

    I am not there this year due to my own ill health so have no idea of this year’s papers but I’ve taught Y6 for 6 years. My son is at secondary (y8) and brings home GCSE papers. I have noticed that most of the content is similar to Y6 except the questions are much more straight down the line. No stupid twists - something the creators put in to show their own clever d**kness rather than fairly test our 10/11 year olds. Why are we busting a gut with these kids in primary for them to repeat it all at secondary? Something not right if 80% of the Y11 GCSE content is tackled in Y6. It is absolutely crazy and I just hope all the unions stamp it out by ALL boycotting them next year. Thinking of all you Y6 teachers and students out there - one more morning. Thankful for small mercies but in the ‘Levels’ era kids sitting level 6 papers seemed to be at it all day for 4 days!
  17. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    @Sally006 Hope you get well soon and are enjoying the sunshine where you are.:)
  18. D1p5t1ck

    D1p5t1ck New commenter

    The whole thing hovers between ridiculous and cruel to children.
    Questions written to trick children, arithmetic questions that need so much work done that i doubt most adults would finish in 30 mins. The end result is a snap shot of each childs ability. It doesnt measure hurdles overcome, recoginse the undoubted progress children make as learners.
    It is obscene beyond belief and i genuinely hope there is a boycott next year.
  19. CarrieV

    CarrieV Lead commenter

    4 hour LA monitoring visit today:eek:
  20. BetterNow

    BetterNow Occasional commenter

    I totally agree with boycotting, however I think that it needs to be boycotted from the get go. My Y6 would have been devastated this week if, after a YEAR of little learning (but plenty of testing), had we boycotted this week. The pressure they’ve gone through has been unreal. It would have been as unfair to boycott them at the last minute after the whole year building up to them as it is putting them through them in the first place.

    It’s not just the tests that need boycotting, it’s the whole give-up-on-anything-fun (or any learning other than SPaG and Maths) and teach to the test for a year that also needs boycotting.
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