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Salary MPS

Discussion in 'Jobseekers' started by mrjack, Jun 19, 2019.

  1. mrjack

    mrjack Occasional commenter

    HI All,
    When you see an advert and it states MPS does that mean they do not pay UPS ?
    Thanks in advance,
  2. polly2

    polly2 New commenter

    I wondered that. I think when Mr Gove changed the pay policies for teachers some years back, it means that schools can determine their own salary for new starters, so even if it says MPS and you are UPS, I think you can still apply but be prepared to come down a grade or two. I am in the same position.
  3. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Maybe it means that, maybe it doesn't. Sorry, I know that's not very helpful.:)

    The question has been asked here before and it seems that in job ads sometimes it means the school will only pay on MPS, not UPS, but sometimes they just use it as shorthand for 'classroom teacher not leadership' and might pay UPS.

    The only way to find out what they'll pay for a specific post is to ask them.
    JohnJCazorla and Lara mfl 05 like this.
  4. chevonanc

    chevonanc New commenter

    We would generally advertise a post as MPS if we didn't want an NQT for the role. So we would almost certainly pay UPS for the right candidate.
  5. 50sman

    50sman Lead commenter

    When you go for a job these days you negotiate your salary at interview
    JohnJCazorla likes this.
  6. moomin4

    moomin4 New commenter

    Would asking have any impact on their opinion of you? Either positive or negative?
  7. moomin4

    moomin4 New commenter

    Would you also at this point discuss TLRs for subject leadership etc?
  8. Sundaytrekker

    Sundaytrekker Star commenter

    Unlikely. If it’s not been advertised with a TLR then you usually take subject leaderships without one.
    agathamorse likes this.
  9. speaker2

    speaker2 Occasional commenter

    I have just seen a job advertised for a primary school class teacher job which includes a break down of the expectations for an MPS teacher, and for each level of UPS teacher. It states that ALL MPS teachers (apart from NQTs) have to take on at least one subject to lead. It also states that ALL MPS teachers have to mentor NQTs. And they have to run after school clubs. UPS 1 and above have to lead two subjects at least pus other additional expectations. It states that UPS 3 teachers have to take on subject leadership of a core subject, lead a phase or take on a significant wholes school role plus mentoring NQTs and run after school clubs each week for three terms a year. So by this school's reckoning, there is no such thing as TLR for being a middle leader. If this is the norm, then no wonder there is a recruitment crisis in schools.
    agathamorse likes this.
  10. Abitofeverything

    Abitofeverything Occasional commenter

    Speaker2, sadly I think this is the norm these days. Most schools now advertise payscales for a job as MPS as they don't want to pay any more than MPS6 - basically if you're UPS and want to move schools, you're screwed. The expectations of what used to be UPS are now those of MPS teachers who are already being paid less than they are worth. And yes I agree you're totally right - this must be having a massive effect on retention. When there was all that noise about a 1% pay rise, I kept thinking that the lack of pay portability and TLRs is far more important.
    agathamorse likes this.

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