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Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by NQT2004, May 22, 2020.

  1. NQT2004

    NQT2004 New commenter

    As my name suggested I have been teaching since 2004, recently I’ve worked in leadership and improving schools including International schools.
    I’ve decided to look into teaching abroad in September 2021; being honest about motivation I’m looking at the money but also up for adventure. Basically time at home due to corona has made me realise that I actually have the freedom to go anywhere.

    I own a property here that I plan to rent out but really want to chuck as much money at the mortgage as possible. I want to pay off mortgage so I can return to the uk and be free of the shackles of mortgage payments. I can live cheaply and have no dependents.

    I am looking at jobs that are being advertising and have looked through these threads but struggling to find salaries and details of packages that are offered. How can I get that information?

    I just want to know how much competitive salary actually is?

    Am thinking of heading to Asia but basically to be mercenary, where is the money?
  2. Mitochondria1

    Mitochondria1 New commenter

    Competitive depends on many factors such as

    Cost of Living
    Financial obligations back home
    Pocket and travel money.

    3000EUR in Romania gets you much further than 4000 EUR in China, but that can change if you have credits that need paying in Pound Sterling.
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  3. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    It doesn't mean anything. It's the standard "we don't publish our salaries" line. In my opinion, the best schools will publish their salaries on their website in the recruitment section and be extremely open about this. Be careful of any school that offers a 'negotiable' salary.

    Be extra wary of a school that offers a 'competetive local salary" as this means you're geting really screwed
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  4. NQT2004

    NQT2004 New commenter

    I understand that competitive is different dependent on costs but I can’t find what the salary offered is to then work out if it is enough to save the amount I want.
    In English job adverts it gives some indication ie L10-13, so I can look at the leadership scale and see the salary.

    Do I have to contact schools that are advertising to work out salary or is there someone who has this info or an agency that I can go through to get an idea of salary!
  5. lc547186

    lc547186 New commenter

    I actually think HK and SG are great options. If you are single and have no dependents, in both places you can share an apartment, so will get something for around 8000HKD, which is about 800pounds. Sounds a lot, but for a standard teacher role, with 16 years experience, you will be earning about 60,000HKD a month minimum (well, I would not take less for your experience) and you get flights, health insurance, pension, CPD allowance, yearly bonus and gratuity pay at the end. If you are looking for leadership and you manage to get in, obviously pay would be much higher. Bills are mega low, transport is ultra cheap, food is of similar cost to the UK, clothes are cheap and travelling around Asia is very affordable. The HKD goes a long way, and is quite strong at the minute against the pound. Saving 1/3rd of your salary, plus your bonuses etc and still travelling overseas and around HK, living a good life and paying for your rent will not be a problem. Tax is low here, and the government always has a lot of relief measures. This year, they took 2200GBP off everyones tax bill, meaning my first year here (tax year) becomes tax free!

    Nobody really knows how COVID will affect international schools, and even though we have just opened our schools back up here, and SG will do on 1st June, we still are not sure of the knock on effect. There may not be as much movement, so not as much opportunity. Many people I know dropped down in terms of role when they moved here, as it is quite a competitive area to become apart of.

    We love living here, we enjoy our our holidays, our apartment is a decent size and affordable and we really like the kids and our schools.
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  6. Duraz

    Duraz New commenter

    There are schools in many Asian countries that would allow you to save lots each month - how much depends on your role obviously. Salaries vary as much by school as they do by country. Best thing to do is join search Associates where they give you salary ranges and expected savings. They rarely give you the salary on TES until you get an interview with the school.
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  7. NQT2004

    NQT2004 New commenter

    This is exactly what I am looking for, thank you.

    Whilst on lockdown I have put a few scenarios into ‘overpay your mortgage calculators’, knowing what I could save a month and therefore pay off is a motivator to being mortgage free in a considerably shorter time.
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  8. motorhomer

    motorhomer New commenter

    Yes, potentially mortgage free a lot sooner but you need to weigh this up with no longer being able to contribute to the teachers' pension scheme. Also, a higher salary doesn't always equate to a higher saving. You need to factor in the cost of living too. Generally though, it's how you live & spend that will dictate how much you save (unless you go somewhere like Spain).
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  9. Mitochondria1

    Mitochondria1 New commenter

    If you register with Search Associates, you can see school salaries and possible savings there.
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  10. percy topliss

    percy topliss Established commenter

    It all depends. Single? I work in a relatively good school in Bangkok and take home about 160 thousand baht a month. Rent would be 20 K food 10 and other stuff 20-25....that would allow me to send home 100K a month which is about 2.5K thousand pounds if that is what you want. Married? I am. My wife is much more intelligent than me and takes home about 200K a month....we live on my money and send hers home, thats over 4 thousand quid a month. Our school has a provident fund as well where we pay 10% in and the school matches it. Having been here for quite a while now if we were to dip out right now we would be able to pay off one mortgage immediately....However because of the Borisvirus I am not sure that these things will continue.....good luck with that job hunting.

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  11. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    As for contacting schools for salary details, you will almost never get a reply. If they don't put it in the ad, they're not going to give it to you through a message.

    The only way to find out is to apply and interview. It's far more cloak and dagger than it is in the UK and can be very irritating if you put loads of time in to an application to find out the money is ****. You can usually find someone who works there though and find out from them
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  12. NQT2004

    NQT2004 New commenter

    Thank you, @lc547186 this is the advice I am looking for. I was thinking of heading towards Shanghai but will look at HK and SG.
    Saving 1/3, spending 1/3 and travelling with 1/3 is a good ratio. I can live cheaply in life and travel, happy with street food and a cheap beer.

    Also thanks @percy topliss your maths makes sense too. I’m single with no dependents. I could rent my house out to pay the mortgage but if I could chuck an extra £1,500 at it then I would be mortgage free in 6 years!
    I like Bangkok and I know travel from there is easy but the traffic, I’d need to learn to be more patient to deal with that?

    @motorhomer I totally understand about pensions and that has held me back in the past but this time of reflection has made me realise that now is when I should be living rather than waiting for a pension. If I can pay of mortgage on this house then I’d look to buy a rental or a narrow boat to rent out...have decided there are more ways of getting cash for retirement.

    Today’s advice has been great, I’ve read a few threads on here about money and wasn’t sure whether to post because it seems to turn into a bit of a pissing contest about who is earning the most. But this has been helpful, Will also say...my first thoughts are Asia but if there is anywhere else people think I could look and happy to take advice.

    Also, can I apply for leadership posts if my only leadership has been in U.K.?
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  13. ejclibrarian

    ejclibrarian Established commenter Community helper

    Everything that I'm hearing is that many schools in Asia are making as many cut backs as possible because they've been hit hard by the effects of the virus on the economy. I've heard of colleagues.being told that jobs may be cut in order to save money and to satisfy parent demands for savings. Lots of our families have lots businesses or had to fire staff because of the economic impacts and we're in a country where we've been the least affected by the virus. It makes me wonder if other schools are going to start trimming the fat and that salaries and packages won't be as generous as they were before. Something to keep in mind.
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  14. taiyah

    taiyah Occasional commenter

    Money is what you seek then cast your net wide open. You won't get a copy of their salary scale, using the term loosely, but plenty of black gold and LNG single teachers live mortgage free lives. Nigeria, Russia, Oman and Brunei.

    You're single and money is your main drive... explore the ME. Why pay taxes and bills?

    You clearly outlined some of your experiences but you hadn't mentioned your area of specialty, primary or secondary?

    In one of the earlier threads, an NQT was given an English HoD role in one of the Chinese bi-lingual schools. Their previous experience was backpacking with a TESOL certification. The circuit has plenty schools whose business plan require a western look on their website. Money is what you seek, then hey... Why not give it a go ?! These schools are willing to fork out the money.
  15. lc547186

    lc547186 New commenter

    In the schools I have worked in across Kenya and now in HK the middle leader positions and VO/Deputy Head roles seems to be internal appointments. Either from within the company already or within country. Head level roles and Director roles, the ones I have seen have always been overseas unless one Head in could try is transferring. So, I am not sure. That being said, that's only 2 countries, an only my experience. Others may have seen something very different.
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  16. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    From the news reports it looks like HK may be about to become just another Chinese megacity
  17. NQT2004

    NQT2004 New commenter

    @ejclibrarian I am aware that the virus will be having an impact, so waiting till next August seems to make sense at the moment, am assuming that that’s when most jobs start. Am watching everything as closely as possible. Although I am mercenary I think I would be up for earning a little less to live a good lifestyle. I have travelled a lot of Asia, including China and I like it. Although travel is different to working, if I was there I could travel more of the continent.

    @taiyah my experience is in Primary with a specialism in teaching English, I have taught across both Key Stages and all year groups.
    I have thought about the ME but not a huge fan or Dubai or Qatar, I quite liked Abu Dhabi but have heard Oman is nicer. Having been out to the ME I am aware that it is flush with lots of very young teachers, socially I’d quite like some older folks to hang out with...happy to be corrected on this point if I have it wrong. I am not ruling it out, if the right opportunity arose.

    @T0nyGT I was in China in the summer, was interesting to see how their media where portraying the Hk story V the beeb.
  18. 4019775

    4019775 New commenter

    Even if you get info on salary before applying it may not be what it seems.

    Ozzie school in Sharjah take, and keep for themselves, the equivalent of the tax you would pay in Oz from your salary. They never mention this. It may or may not be in the Arabic contract you are asked to sign. Found that out just in time and gave then a GTF.

    International schools are in the gutter and capable of anything.
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  19. stopwatch

    stopwatch Lead commenter

    Have you done a search of previous threads? This question has been done to death. There is loads of information on this theme out there
  20. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    Old stoppers is right, as per usual. Lots of info is available, if you do a good old rummage.

    There is, however, just one more thing that you need to do, NQT2004, and that is to read my blog!

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