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Sadly this is becoming the norm....

Discussion in 'Personal' started by BelleDuJour, Dec 16, 2018.

  1. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    Teachers giving up.
    Yes, I've been teaching almost 25 years but am definitely going end of this academic year.
    And it's not the teaching...........it's all the C>R A>P that goes with like playing the data game last week and fixing data to look better than it is, AKA making it up! Pointless data. Pointless meetings. Pointless observations. Learning bloody walks. Work scrutinies. And after all that it's still my fault if career truant and 'no pen, no book, no work' Dwayne fails to get a grade 9 in his GCSE, when I'd do handstands if he managed to turn up to the exam!
    And it's not just me.
    Spent the weekend with lots of lovely friends and family and this is the situation:
    1. Good friend who is an excellent teacher took early retirement a few years ago as had enough of the C>R>A>P
    2. Another good friend and excellent teacher took early retirement following capability which was unfounded and simply bullying.
    3. My SiL. Primary school teacher. Gave up last December. Not the teaching. Not the kids but the C>R>A>P
    4. Son of my BF from Uni. Just 27 and a primary school teacher on the cusp of a glittering career. He gave it up and is retraining as a Quantity Surveyor. Loves it as no C>R>A>P
    5. Me. A level expert and examiner. Shortage subject. HAD ENOUGH.
    In fact, just one teacher in my gathering who is still teaching.
    How anyone can say there is no shortage and nothing is wrong with schools/education/teaching baffles me.
    Cited above are 5 losses to the profession......and that's just in one social gathering last night.
    I also know of one colleague in my department who intends to go at Easter.................guess why?
    When will someone listen and do something about this crisis?
    Or is it too late?
  2. kittylion

    kittylion Senior commenter

    I am just hanging on doing one day a week until I can claim my state pension. Even doing 0.2 of a timetable I still have to do the data, performance management etc. At 63 I sometimes feel so weary of it all - even doing one day a week in a nice school. I wonder how I ever managed full time until age 59.
  3. Dragonlady30

    Dragonlady30 Star commenter

    The indirect/direct result of the C>R>A>P is that kids now think they are invincible. They can do no wrong and teachers are the enemy who will carry the can and take the blame if said student failed. I spent hours explaining that a target grade was simply that-a target which could be achieved with work. Too many believed this grade was guaranteed, no matter how much or how little work was done.
  4. Sir_Henry

    Sir_Henry Occasional commenter

    All very true.
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  5. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    I have a minimum of 4 and a maximum of 5 years left after the end of this one.

    At the moment I'm doing OK
    nizebaby, agathamorse, Jamvic and 2 others like this.
  6. frangipani123

    frangipani123 Lead commenter

    I saw a friend today who I met when I worked in a school for 3-4 years, she still meets up with staff from there. I told her I'd inadvertently caught part of the series School last week where the history HOD was being observed. The assistant head sat next to a boy and asked him how he thought the lesson was going during the observation - is this normal? I couldn't believe it, talk about undermining the teacher. Then when she fed back to the HOD she told him that when he was teaching blah, that group in the corner weren't engaged. I felt so angry on his behalf. My friend tells me that all the people she still meets with from the school are very despondent.

    What's going to be the outcome for society given that so many quality, experienced people leave or want to leave? In what other occupation are professionals so undermined?
  7. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    I was in a shortage subject and planned to remain full-time until 55 but I ran into SLT C>R>A>P, so by choice I switched to supply at 50, which was only ever part-time, and not always my specialism. I stayed in the mainstream system until 54, leaving a year earlier than originally planned. Instead of applying my specialist experience to moving a subject forwards, all I was ever doing for those four years was holding the fort for somebody else.

    Since then I've switched to primary and I still work in the classroom part-time but as a self-employed visitor whom they buy in for specialist work. It's the only way I'll keep working in any school, because I go home at the end of each day free of paperwork and I don't have to put up with any C>R>A>P. I'm free to develop my specialism as I wish, and the only data I have to juggle now is bookings, invoices and tax forms. Makes me wonder if that could be the future? Teachers as independent sub-contractors? o_O
  8. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    The deep sadness is the number of young teachers quitting and not regretting it! Schools are increasingly being staffed almost entirely by inexperienced teachers and the quality of teacher trainees is generally not good, as almost anyone can be taken on to a teacher training course.
    It is sad...so sad.
  9. catmother

    catmother Star commenter

    I'm going at the end of summer at 57. I went down to 0.6 thinking that would take me to 60 but it backfired and has just meant more work for less money and a whole new set of annoyance,the reasons why which I won't get into on here. So,I'm going.
  10. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    Never mind, once we are out of the EU we can bring in all those nice Chinese teachers to take over.
  11. pink_reindeer

    pink_reindeer Occasional commenter

    I left my permanent job after 11 years due to many reasons linked to said C>R>A>P.
    I am now a day to day supply teacher, I refuse to do long term due to being paid less than £100/day for doing the C>R>A>P. But the C>R>A>P that I'm having to deal with behaviour-wise is really depressing me, not only as a teacher, but as a human. Since when is it ok for 12/13 year olds to speak to teachers/adults like a piece of sh*t on their shoes?? Honestly, it really depresses me.

    SEBREGIS Lead commenter

    I worry less about giving up, than the sense I HAVE given up. It’s not hard to drink the cool-aid. Do the pointless marking. Invent the meaningless data. Teach the standard lesson in the standard way, even if it doesn’t help the students. Keep your head down because schools won’t help control student behaviour and it’s better to have a disrupted classroom than be seen as unable to deal with it yourself. To love Big Brother.
  13. gainly

    gainly Star commenter

    Some of the students I tutor have had Chinese teachers. They didn't last long.
  14. gainly

    gainly Star commenter

    I meant the Chinese teachers didn't last long, not the students.
  15. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    My cousin's granddaughter lasted four years. She's an international coach now.
    I quit in 2007 but have worked in non-teaching positions in schools since. I know I could not possibly last five minutes now without going off for a long period of wrs or maybe going berserk with a machete.
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  16. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    I do like my job - but am in an independent girls' school! Have chosen not to go for a temporary HOD as don't want all the admin. Am 51 but a late entrant.....
    Lara mfl 05 likes this.
  17. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

    They don't even need to bother with a teacher training course - 6 weeks to become a 'teacher 'under Teach First.

    In fact - why bother with that? Many TAs end up 'teaching' classes, especially in primary. And many people outside of education are still not aware of that.
  18. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    Thing is, too many schools are now managed by bean counters who bring in the business model of the widget factory to education and have little or no understanding of the process of teaching and learning. As long as they have a body in front of a class for the bare minimum cost they believe they are doing a good job. If that body gets broken they simply bring in another for the same or less cost. It is a simple business model but it is a disaster for teachers and pupils.
    InkyP, agathamorse and BelleDuJour like this.
  19. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    I believe Mr Gove and people who think like him are of the view that absolutely anyone can teach, qualified or not. Since his reign this belief has become widespread. The fact that unqualified teachers are cheaper than their qualified counterparts is neither here nor there.;)
  20. geraldbeattie

    geraldbeattie New commenter

    I had a line manager who seriously believed anybody could teach any class, all you as a teacher needed to do was to write a scheme of work that was detailed enough for anyone to simply pick it up and deliver a lesson. This was for level 2 and 3 FE computer science. So all those years in industry meant absolutely nothing, as long as the SOW had enough information in it. I have managed to escape from this lunacy, though I did ask if I could have a go at taking another teachers modern dance class. Funnily enough the request was declined. Not sure why as I was only 50 and just marginally unfit, with only Dad-Dance experience.

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