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Discussion in 'Personal' started by Jude Fawley, Oct 13, 2019.

  1. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    Every time I go onto the BBC iPlayer website I encounter a large banner advertising 'RuPaul's Drag Race UK'.

    What is going on?

    Since when was a programme about men dressing up as women mainstream entertainment?

    It's beyond me.

    It also says "Mama Rue's Here!"

    Mama Rue? It's just a fella dressing his sweaty tackle in women's underwear.

    Broadcast at 8 p.m. on Thursday nights.

    Who would be interested in this kind of 'entertainment'?

    nomad and sodalime like this.
  2. NoseyMatronType

    NoseyMatronType Star commenter



    From the publisher's 'Call for Abstracts' webpage:

    "While RuPaul’s Drag Race started out as a competition-based reality TV show, it has since then become much more. The show’s appeal stems from incorporating a huge variety of subcultural practices, norms, and phrases, offering a blend of references of drag, LGBTIQ+, race and other movements based in identity politics with great philosophical potential.

    This book aims to lift this potential in combining philosophical exploration with the themes and examples of the show. From issues being discussed on the show directly – theories of gender construction, aesthetics, identity – to interpreting RuPaul’s famous quotes and phrases to taking some practices and occurrences as point of departure for philosophical reflections, RuPaul’s Drag Race offers many docking points for intriguing debate and surprising new approaches to old philosophical problems.

    Thus, we invite thoughtful and thought-provoking contributions from all philosophical perspectives and traditions that pertain to RuPaul’s Drag Race.

    Possible chapter topics include, but are not limited to:
    • Spilling the T: Drag Race on Truth and Truthfulness
    • You’re Born Naked and the Rest is Drag: Philosophical Approaches to Identity and Self-Perception
    • If you don’t love yourself…: Self-love, self-criticism, self-hatred
    • She done already done had herses: Theories of Justice and Injustice
    • Sashay Away: How to Deal with Loss and Death
    • Call Me Mother: Drag Race and Different Concepts of Motherhood
    • Can I get an Amen?: Religion and Drag Race
    • Eleganza Extravaganza: Hedonism, Epicurus and the Good Life
    • The Realness: Ontological Questions in Drag Race
    • Reading is Fundamental: Speech Acts and Philosophy of Language
    • Fierceness and Virtue Theory
    • Lip-Syncing as Art Form in its Own Right
    • Flazéda: Theories on the Meaning of Words
    • Drag as a Performance Art
    • Facts are Facts: Postmodernism, Post-Truth, and Relativity
    • Drag ‘Race’: The Role of Racial Identity and Dynamics in Drag Race
    • Skinny Legend and Obese Icon: Body Aesthetics, Body Images
    • Drag Race and the Perpetuation of Harmful Female Stereotypes
    • Plastic Surgery and Fairness in Competition
    • Ornacia and Theories of Mind
    • Drag Race Between Irreverence and Offensiveness
    • Everybody Say Love!: Emotions, Feelings and Affection
    I've never seen it but I knew this book was coming out.
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  3. coffeekid

    coffeekid Star commenter

    First series was in 2012, so...

    Men dressing up as women has been entertainment for many centuries. It's not new.

    Long time viewer here.
    catmother likes this.
  4. Jamvic

    Jamvic Star commenter

    Never heard of it but am definitely curious so I will have a look. The possible subject matter in the chapters listed by @NoseyMatronType are intriguing.
    caress likes this.
  5. Dunteachin

    Dunteachin Star commenter

    I've watched the last two episodes. Entertaining and disturbing, in equal measure. :)

    That Michelle Visage from Strictly is a judge.
    FormosaRed likes this.
  6. catmother

    catmother Star commenter

    I always had you as an anarchist type of guy, not a Mary Whitehouse type,tutting at what on the TV!
    blue451 likes this.
  7. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    I remember asking my Mama in the 60s why Danny La Rue dressed as a woman. Why not just get a woman to take the part? She said we were supposed to be impressed with how good he looked as a woman, but it was spoken without conviction. We did think he was well-cast in Charley's Aunt though.
  8. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Like Lily Savage? I have to say that since she started dressing up as a man to play Paul O'Grady, her act went downhill fast.
    Aquamarina1234 likes this.
  9. blue451

    blue451 Lead commenter

    It was common in variety days, and the panto dame is a Great British Tradition.

    Maybe we should ask "since was a programme about men dressing up as women deemed so offensive?"

  10. sodalime

    sodalime Lead commenter

    i have no idea - i just don't 'get' it AT ALL. It's like watching the antics of an entirely alien species and culture. Just baffling. But then I feel that way about all the sleb stuff on telly. Give me an episode of Countryfile any day.
    Alice K and nomad like this.
  11. catmother

    catmother Star commenter

  12. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    Misogyny, trying to show than men are better at being women than women.
    sodalime and FormosaRed like this.
  13. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    I know nothing about this RuPaul thing. I know of The Rocky Horror Show and I know people crossdress but I very much doubt the modern take on all this is anything like the work of David Hoyle 'The Divine David'.

    I'm a big fan of 'The Divine David' and have been for around twenty years but I don't think I'd be interested in RuPaul's work.

    I doubt it would be as intellectually interesting.

    Here's a great interview with David Hoyle. David is a true genius.

  14. catmother

    catmother Star commenter

    Never heard about drag queens? You must live in a cave!
  15. coffeekid

    coffeekid Star commenter

    Just in case we forget you're very intellectual. Clap clap clap.
    knitone and catmother like this.
  16. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    If I remember rightly RuPaul is gender neutral, s/he said well into the 80s, 'I don't care if you call me he or she, just call me.' Remember the time she got really upset when some comic fondled her 'breasts?' When she is RuPaul I believe, she believes she really is a woman.

    I watched one episode of the UK version and was intrigued but will not be a long time fan. I love RuPaul in both her forms and completely understand the appeal of this and other 'reality' shows, but I'm generally only into 'reality' TV that's about property and interior design.
  17. coffeekid

    coffeekid Star commenter

    One of my earliest memories is of watching a Drag Queen do a strip-tease. My father was in the Royal Marines and this was part of some sort of Christmas do at their base. I was under a table - I think if people knew there was a 4(?) yr old in the room, I would've been escorted out to be with the other chidren.
  18. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    It's bordering on mental health issues for me. It's been turned into a freak show.
    sodalime, vannie, Alice K and 2 others like this.
  19. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    Is that the same RuPaul who was doing the rounds on late night low brow Channel 4 about 30 years ago or has s/he had children?
  20. Spiritwalkerness

    Spiritwalkerness Star commenter

    Same one.

    I am loving the UK version. I do love a good bitchy queen.
    missmunchie and catmother like this.

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