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Role of subject leaders in primary schools

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by Teacher_abc123, Oct 8, 2018.

  1. Teacher_abc123

    Teacher_abc123 New commenter

    Do you think an English subject leader should map out the books/literature for each term for all the year groups? I feel that would lessen the burden on teachers, so they can focus on their day to day. Not all agree I know, but what do we think?
     
  2. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

    Why not ask the teachers you are working with?
     
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  3. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    No! I'd be fuming if the English leader in my school did this. :eek:

    How on earth can the English leader, who has never taught anywhere except UKS2 have the faintest clue what would suit my nursery class? Even when I was in year 3, they'd not have had much idea. Similarly I couldn't possibly do the same for UKS2, not having taught there for about 8 years now.

    Choosing the books/literature is NOT a burden!


    And given you are currently objecting to how feedback is given, here, it's probably best not to object to sorting out your own books as well!
     
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  4. dunnocks

    dunnocks Star commenter

    maybe just a list of suggestions, it wouldn't take long
     
  5. lala24

    lala24 Guest

    Some teachers might love this but I’d hate it. One of the few joys left is discovering a great new text to use in class and getting all enthusiastic about it. Don’t take that away from me! Offer suggestions for sure but give staff some wriggle room in an already narrow curriculum.
     
  6. jago123

    jago123 Established commenter

    Nope, because it creates more work for the subject leader when essentially they have their own class to teach too! Each teacher should have the autonomy to map out books/literature for each term.

    I’m secondary, and I was a subject leader ten years ago, and then, I had a lot to deal with, without having to do a large part of the teaching colleagues role for them!
     
  7. Teacher_abc123

    Teacher_abc123 New commenter

    I agree, at least some suggestions and a mapped out overview of the skills to be covered. If you're paid to lead a subject I think you should do a bit more work than teachers who aren't.
     
  8. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Doesn't the national curriculum offer you the skills part already?
    Indeed, but not that you should do their work for them.

    I assume the point of this thread is that your English subject leader hasn't given you which texts to use and has left you to make your own decisions.
     
  9. frustum

    frustum Star commenter

    Our local primary have mapped books to each term. I don't imagine that's the whole story (there aren't enough at KS1 for it to be everything), and I think it was probably done as a team effort rather than by one person. There may be something to be said for having either a rough plan, or a record of what each class has read, to help staff avoid choosing something a class (or some of a class) have already done in depth.
     
  10. sparklepig2002

    sparklepig2002 Star commenter

    A list of helpful suggestions would be useful, but as a just as a guide. Year group teachers should have the final say and select books to suit their classes.
     
  11. Teacher_abc123

    Teacher_abc123 New commenter

    My feedback objection is irrelevant (and was actually accepted by the school and changed accordingly!).

    Why would you be fuming? What if it turned out to be really helpful and supportive?
     
  12. Teacher_abc123

    Teacher_abc123 New commenter

    It comes down to what we think subject leaders should do in the role. How is it logical or fair to scrutinise planning, marking and books,when there is no overall mapping out of the year provided? Leading a subject shouldn't just be about monitoring and analysing data.
     
  13. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    I imagine they have a job description.
    Because one would expect a teacher to look at what needs to be covered over the year from the NC and then map the year themselves?
    I agree.
    I don't happen to think it should be about spoon-feeding teachers.
     
  14. Teacher_abc123

    Teacher_abc123 New commenter

    Spoon feeding is putting too negative a spin on it really.
     
  15. Sillow

    Sillow Lead commenter

    As an English subject leader, I allow the teachers to choose their texts for the year, but they need to let me know and/or ask me if they're not sure about a particular text. The skills for text types, SPaG etc. are mapped out for them (hard to explain, don't want to go into too much detail) so it's kind of a halfway house. As I'm a class teacher myself, I think it's a good balance, personally, and I wouldn't like it if I were told which exactly which texts to use and when, there has to be some creativity still in what teachers do.
     
  16. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    I can't see anything positive in telling trained professionals what text to use when, what skills to teach when and how to teach it. Might as well buy in a published scheme and train some chimpanzees to 'deliver' the ready made lessons.
     
  17. becky70

    becky70 Occasional commenter

    Absolutely not. That decision needs to be made by the teachers in that year group. I would hate our English lead telling us what books we could use.
     

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