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Ridiculous comments given at lesson observations

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by Jolly_Roger1, Feb 2, 2016.

  1. colinbillett

    colinbillett Occasional commenter

    Towards the end of a three-hour lesson, the post-16 learners asked if they could go early. I said 'don't be bloody silly, I'm having an observation'. That didn't go down well on the score card. However, I did let them out five minutes before the end, partly as a reward for being such darlings, and partly because of form - they have to get somewhere else, and the next class & teacher want to begin on time. I was told I had 'deprived them of five minutes of learning'.
  2. colinbillett

    colinbillett Occasional commenter

    I've kept some of the best written ones, I wonder if it is legal to post a copy.
  3. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    The SMT at my last school had one, very nasty observation technique, which seemed completely pointless, other than to undermine the teacher. A couple of them would come in, and about a third of the way through the lesson they would interrupt and send the teacher out of the room, to wait in the corridor. They would then ask the students if they thought they were learning anything, did they like the way they were taught, and so on. After this, the teacher would be readmitted to the room and observed teaching the remainder of the lesson. Set up to fail, or what?
  4. Compassman

    Compassman Star commenter

    Why wouldn't it be legal? As long as you don't identify the school on here (it's against the T&Cs but not illegal)

    Just before I left a TA came to see me to tell that she was often in the T&L Senior Teacher's lessons and there was often chaos...........suppose he had difficulty preparing lessons on that vastly reduced timetable!
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  5. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

    It's my experience that even (especially?) classes who are pure evil will close ranks to defend their class teacher against SMT so I'm surprised this worked to undermine.
    caress likes this.
  6. lilachardy

    lilachardy Star commenter

    Ofsted told me the lesson would have been better if it wasn't raining.
    Helpful, thanks.
  7. CarrieV

    CarrieV Lead commenter

    "The children are too well behaved"-this beauty even went in the OFSTED report!
  8. lizziescat

    lizziescat Star commenter

    I want to like all these posts but somehow 'Like' doesn't seem quite right.

    So :eek:for all
  9. colinbillett

    colinbillett Occasional commenter

    Here's one for the mathematicians, and those with long memories of political interference. Way back in the days of Maggie T, she asked in a mathematics classroom what the formula sheet was for. Horrified that the learners needed to have the formulas given to them, especially those for area and circumference of circles, she said that everyone should know that, and those formulas promptly disappeared from the formula sheet. I mentioned this to every year group since then. When we went through the answers to a on-screen quiz that included questions on area and circumference of circles, I said as always: 'These you need to remember - Maggie said everyone needs to know these.' Nope, not appropriate - I was criticised for embarrassing the learners by telling them they needed to know something. I didn't last long after that.
    blazer likes this.
  10. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    How hard is it to remember pi r squared and 2 pi r????

    Damned if you do and damned if you don't!

    This is why you should never take the feedback. If you try to change on the basis of feedback you will inevitably get it wrong AGAIN next time. Because you HAVE to be seen to get it wrong. It's the law. It's the point.

    If you just issued 'Good' then these people (inspectors) wouldn't have a job!
  11. treeickle

    treeickle New commenter

    At a job interview once I was told the resources I produced for the lesson presentation (not even an observation!) were too simplistic for the age group and too complicated for vocational learners...
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  12. marymoocow

    marymoocow Star commenter

    A secondary trained advisor, who didn't like my friend because she challenged thing she said, gave her satisfactory for an observation on her specialist area in FS and for which she was an L.A specialist teacher. She always got outstanding for these lessons. The reason for the satisfactory was that one bright and gobby child shouted out the answer she was asking a much less able child to answer. She told the child she was correct but to please remember not to shout out. The advisor gave her satisfactory for not asking gobby child a challenging extension question with an activity that would have altered the whole pace of the lesson. My friend was left devastated and had her confidence totally knocked 2 weeks before our ofsted. Not only did my friend get outstanding for virtually the same lesson (same format different knowledge) she got special mention in the ofsted report. The next week the advisor came in to congratulate us on out report and told my friend that if she hadn't given her satisfactory, she wouldn't have upped her game to get outstanding and that it was because of the advisor's advice that she got the outstanding. My friend and head let her know in no uncertain terms where she could stick her advice. We got a new advisor after that. We were really pleased when she went in the first round of redundancies.
  13. NellyFUF

    NellyFUF Lead commenter

    One observation I had, shortly before dinner time in Reception class - they were supposed to come during Literacy session but were delayed therefore arrived just as my class were getting dressed after PE.........some of the children did not have their clothes on even when the observer arrived ....I got most of the children to sit down while as assistant helped those not quite fully dressed at the back of the room. We threw the PE kits under a table and did a quick story time Literacy Session which ticked all the boxed for LO, WALT WILF all the stuff you know. The kids were brilliant.
    The observer told me that some of the children that he was sat close to, could not see the book. Could have been they came late because of getting dressed. Could be because he had taken up so much room at the back of the carpet. That was the only criticism.
    Apparently I found out later that this was not a Good observation. No. I never had a Good observation in that school. So I left and went another organisation and became Outstanding.
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  14. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    Ebony and ivory, obviously ;)
  15. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

  16. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    I had that one too. Twice. From the same observer about different lessons!

    "The children were really engaged, their writing was excellent, your lesson was perfectly planned to their interests and their next steps in learning. But it wasn't really my sort of thing."
    Oh right, sorry, didn't realise I should have planned my lesson to engage the 30 something year old observer, rather than the 5 and 6 year old class.

    Head: "I did a learning walk today and asked 6 of your class what they were learning and not one of them had any idea."
    Me: "Oh I didn't see you come in."
    Head: "I didn't need to come in, I asked them while they were in the corridor."
    Me: "In the corridor?"
    Head: "Yes they seemed to be collecting coats and bags."
    Me: (Silently in my head, not actually wanting to be sacked) "Errr so you are so bloody clueless you seriously think a group of 5 and 6 year olds should be able to tell you what they were learning while they were collecting their coats and bags in readiness for going home? Seriously?"
  17. Compassman

    Compassman Star commenter

    Maybe staff should say exactly that and challenge the idiots that come up with this nonsense. The problem is, of course, that you can become so gobsmacked at such comments you are often lost for words.
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  18. JRiley1

    JRiley1 Established commenter

    You know it's funny that people still go on about starters and plenaries; at my school we've been told that Ofsted isn't looking for a 1 size fits all lesson so putting a starter or plenary in isn't always needed? I also think being in for 10 minutes is ridiculous, how much progress are they going to see? It's all subjective, 1 person may like it others may not. I was criticised that 1 child (in a writing lesson) hadn't written enough but the head knew that the child had been off due to a bereavement all week! Give the kids a break :mad:
  19. rachelpaula008

    rachelpaula008 Star commenter

    I was 'awarded' a 3 for my first observation in an AS lesson. This was when a 3 was satisfactory. The SLT chap (who'd been promoted from HOD in my subject) had a much smaller timetable, etc. Anyway, I asked - genuinely interested - if I could observe him to see what an outstanding lesson involved. He told me I couldn't as he couldn't do it.

  20. rosievoice

    rosievoice Star commenter

    The arrogance! The unbelievable arrogance!

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