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return of the IRA

Discussion in 'Personal' started by dunnocks, Apr 19, 2019.

  1. dunnocks

    dunnocks Star commenter

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    Brexit? This has been predicted. Turning up with guns and petrol bombs obviously wasn't a last minute decision. I wonder how long it was planned. RIP journalist Lyra Mckee, 27
     
  2. lrw22

    lrw22 Established commenter

    Very sad.
     
  3. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    The way I understand it its the "new IRA", a different group to the ones who reduced their activities after the Good Friday agreement, but I never really understood the "whys" of it, just that people were killed and injured for bizarre and pointless reigious reasons, as happens the world over.
     
  4. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    Return? The IRA / Real IRA / New IRA and other dissident groups have never been away. Brexit has no bearing.

    Sad loss of life in pursuit of a story.
     
  5. dunnocks

    dunnocks Star commenter

    they have been greatly reduced. When was the last time a journalist was shot at?
     
  6. irs1054

    irs1054 Star commenter

    The problem is that, like in other circumstances, there are a group of people who will pursue an objective regardless of laws or any other consideration. In Northern Ireland, there have been probably at least two generations stricken by what was the latest round in a 300+ year old saga (at least) and that sort of trauma doesn't just disappear. It affects opinion and outlook on life and although it may disappear from obvious view it is never far from the surface and it doesn't take much scratching to make it appear again.

    I was watching some YouTube videos from the Guardian including one about NI and the fear concerning a possible hard border and its consequences was very clear.
     
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2019
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  7. Nanny Ogg

    Nanny Ogg New commenter

    Waiting for ‘The plastic IRA’, ‘The Green IRA’, ‘The I cant believe it’s not the IRA’.....
    That poor woman.
     
  8. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Journalists were never often shot at; soldiers, policemen and prison officers much more often and still are attacked.
     
  9. eljefeb90

    eljefeb90 Senior commenter

    Nothing to see here...absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit. Just like JLR shut down for two weeks nought to do with Brexit. Billions leaving the City , a mere coincidence.Chaos and inertia in parliament, again, merely part of the political cycle.
     
  10. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Brexit is an excuse.
     
  11. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    There have been 158 paramilitary-related killings since the Good Friday Agreement was signed, starting with the 29 deaths as a result of the Omagh bombing (just 4 months after the Good Friday Agreement was signed).

    The figures show the largest group of those killed were Catholic civilians, accounting for 62, followed by Loyalist paramilitaries (41), Protestant civilians (27), Republican paramilitaries (17), police (3), prison officers (2), British Army personnel (2), and two others who are uncategoriesed.

    It continues a trend seen throughout the Troubles, in which Catholic civilians accounted for the largest victim group.

    Republican paramilitaries were responsible for 74 of the deaths since the Good Friday Agreement was signed, while Loyalist paramilitaries were responsible for 71 of deaths.

    Since the Good Friday Agreement, the vast majority of killings have gone unpunished.​

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...since-the-good-friday-agreement-36835612.html
     
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  12. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    Greatly reduced isn’t the point. Accepting, as weak politicians did, terrorist demands to retain their arms and explosives was a guarantee (and one might argue an acceptance) that they would be used again. Hence, a steady flow of terrorist killings, plenty of armed intimidation and drugs operations controlled by well armed paramilitaries.

    Throw into the mix, the generational change and you will have younger people brought up not only on the romance and adventure stories about the war and local ‘soldier’ heroes but also on the reality that terrorist activity can be pardoned, and you have a heady and rather sensitive fuse to violence.
     
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  13. eljefeb90

    eljefeb90 Senior commenter

    Brexit is admittedly pretty far down the list as a direct reason for the rioting in Derry, but it is another divisive element . It doesn't help at all though does it, especially in border towns like Derry and Newry ? More important is the lack of agreement or devolved government in Stormont . Terrorism thrives on chaos and instability.Brexit was rejected in Northern Ireland. It has increased political tension throughout the UK and increased tension fuels the lunatics and psychopath s. Look at the increase in right wing terror arrests in England.
    https://news.sky.com/story/frenzy-of-hatred-the-dramatic-rise-of-far-right-extremists-11609611
    But the pro Brexit lobby will again swear that this has again nothing to do with Brexit. Sheer intellectual dishonesty!
     
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  14. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    It has just been announced that two teenage boys have been arrested under the Terrorism Act for the killing of Lyra Mckee. Let's hope that if they've got the right people, these two face the full force of the law - preferably imprisoned for life - and that this will not be another killing in NI that goes unpunished.
     
  15. InkyP

    InkyP Star commenter

    It doesn't surprise me that it was teenagers - too young to have lived through the Troubles.
     
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  16. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    I'm sure the IRA have just been waiting for an excuse.
    And Brexit is just that...............an excuse.
     
  17. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    The shooters were just kids.

    They'll have plenty of time to regret what they did.
     
  18. peter12171

    peter12171 Star commenter

    Unless the IRA decide that the kids have overstepped the mark...
     
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  19. eljefeb90

    eljefeb90 Senior commenter

    When the PSNI were pelted with petrol bombs the other day, it seems surprising that they managed to make these two arrests. Obviously, the Godfathers have been so embarrassed by the backlash that they've given their footsoldiers a choice..British justice or IRA 'justice'.
     
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