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Reporting staff

Discussion in 'Headteachers' started by Popples, Mar 6, 2012.

  1. Headteachers,
    I want some advice as to what you would do. Two members of staff who are SMT reported me to the headteacher for a negative comment about a recent literacy initiative. As far as Im concerned we were having an open, honest chat and I was talking freely about my view. I had my suspicions as to who it was and now I have left the school, one of these people has openly made it known it was her, knowing it would come back to me. This same person has made the comment, I will get to the top whatever it takes and I will bring down anyone I need to. She is basically a bully and other people are scared of her because she has the headteachers ear. Ok Im out of there but Im worried what else has been said to the headteachers as I dont want my reference scuppered and Im equally as worried for the people who had the courage to tell me what has been said, as they are worried that I will say something and implement them. As a headteacher are you suspicious of people who report others? It was a petty thing to report. I want to do my usual and walk away with dignity as it is all based on he said/she said but Im annoyed that bullies always seem to get away with it.
  2. DaisysLot

    DaisysLot Senior commenter

    So because someone quoted something negative you actually said about a literacy iniative you feel they are bullies?... surely more a case of reporting something you would rather not have been repeated?
    In answer to your question, I am fairly confidence that most head teachers have bigger fish to fry on a daily basis than indulging in petty back biting and gossip, though it is often useful to know who views initiatives one is trying to move forward negatively and therefore who might hinder such an initiative.
  3. Then if headteachers need to know which initiatives are viewed with a degree of sceptism then they should create a culture where people can openly discuss their views. My opinion was based on fifteen years teaching experience and looking at a class of children who weren't inspired. Could it have been my teaching? Yes to a degree. Have a changed my opinion? Yes again after there were a few tweeks here and there. My point was the people who reported me where for more negative in their opinions and yet they felt the need to quote me.
    Bullying? I know the word makes people feel uncomfortable. Its subtle but it does happen. When you have leaders(SMT) who goad people to voice their opinions, have plenty to say themselves of a negative fashion, but all that is repeated is what other people say, that is a form of bullying. It speaks volumes that the people who have told me what is being said in my absence are now terrified and I mean terrified that I will confront those involved.
  4. DaisysLot

    DaisysLot Senior commenter

    I've never had a gun held to my head, but I would imagine that would be terrifying. Neither have I ever been involved in any natural or man made disaster scenario which could also be descrirbed as terrifying. Adults clecking on adults and hog whispering here and there.... not terrifying. Not even nail biting worthy.
  5. Naive Daisylot, very naive. Ive had a colleague on the phone, crying and begging me not to say anything - fact. She knows, as do I, that she will be seen to be the troublemaker. Some people aren't as strong as others. Their job and what their colleagues think about them is their world. Have you ever walked into a totally hostile environment where nobody talks to you, looks at you and you have no idea what's go on? No doubt it.
  6. I pray your not a headteacher. You sound like the people in charge where I've just left. Lets sweep it all under the carpet and pretend its not happening. It takes a strong leader to tackle inappropriate behaviour.Yes you took the time to reply but you have no idea about the issue at hand. Its far easier for you to adopt the stance that Im causing trouble when really all I went is fairness for all concerned. I have acknowledged my fault and was, am happy to walk away. Unfortunately the people causing the trouble are still continuing, why would I make that up? My good friends now fear alienation because they are still my friends and have come to the conclusion that they will leave too.
  7. DaisysLot

    DaisysLot Senior commenter

    I genuinely do not know what response you would like..... My advice to you now that you have left was to move on and let it go. I'll try another answer... though of course as you have now left, it would be up to your good friends to take action.
    Write to the headteacher outlining your ongoing grievance - Take it to the unions - Go for a vote of no confidence in the leaders who you feel are incapable of managing people effectively - Drop your local press an email to see if they will adopt your cause and raise it - Recruit the support of parents - Address a governors meeting. See a solicitor would specialises in educational workplace issues such as 'Matchsolicitors.com' - expensive but impressive experts in their field.
  8. Yes I take your point. Its way too difficult to take it further. I actual left due to childcare issues although the bad atmosphere helped me to reach a speedy decision. Its like leaving an abusive relationship, you lick your wounds and move on and some other poor sod gets the same treatment further along the line. On reflection, Im lamenting the unfairness of it all. Oh the leaders run the school very effectively in lots of different areas, it is their people skills that are lacking. This post was not a lets have a go at headteachers as I think the majority do an amazing job. I was just surprised that where I worked the headteachers couldnt appear to see through the true character of some of their SMT. The SMT aren't nice to each other either as they continually criticise each other to other members of staff. It is such a shame that the internal politics takes away from the real reason of being there and that is the children. They are amazing and deserve the very best.
  9. Crowbob

    Crowbob Senior commenter

    I wish Daisy was a Headteacher. A quick flick through the forums will show you that she gives sound and well-informed advice that is appreciated by a wide range of people. She would make an excellent manager of people. She knows the legal position but also ALWAYS recognises the context of the situation. The fact that she gives (good) advice that you don't agree with, doesn't mean she would be a "weak" leader.
    If your response is "but you just don't understand the situation", why bother coming here for advice at all? Even if somebody agreed with your viewpoint it wouldn't mean that they had an "idea about the issue at hand".
  10. Crowbob,
    I didn't say that I didn't agree with Daisy's advice. I haven't previously had time to trawl through posts as I've been working full time. The whole purpose of my post was a person who openly says, "I don't care who I tread on to get to the top", who manipulates and intimidates people and is in a position to abuse that power should be taken to task. I know what's involved to do that and no Im not prepared to go to those lengths as I would like to teach again. I was just interested to hear if headteachers are ever sceptical about their SMT or if there is a blind trust in what they feedback. One of the people who reported me actually came out on my leaving do. I find that a bit worrying. My post was a genuine concern for my reputation as Im wondering if a person is capable of that level of duplicity, what other random comments have been misquoted. I was even more alarmed when a colleague was really upset that I might challenge the person. Yes I know SUMO, shut up and move on and that's what I will do. Im just a bit shocked that nobody's acknowledged that this person is out of order.
  11. People aren't nasty they just lose the ability to communicate.

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