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Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by HelenREMfan, Oct 10, 2018.

  1. HelenREMfan

    HelenREMfan Star commenter

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  2. dunnocks

    dunnocks Star commenter

    who is going to assess the mental health of the teachers?
    flyuplife, 1970devon, strawbs and 3 others like this.
  3. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Cover your back...find every pupil in need of medical support. ;)
  4. neddyfonk

    neddyfonk Lead commenter

    No doubt the primary assessment will be done via pupil survey and you will not be able to filter out those that over-egg it and claim to be lonely, friendless, bullied, undervalued, sexually harassed, not understood, unable to concentrate on work, preoccupied with doubts about failing, sometimes having suicidal thoughts, considered self-harming/taking drugs, addicted to energy drinks/ vaping/ alcohol, worried about being groomed online, having a poor self-image, anorexia, bulimia, acne, abusive parents.
    A large proportion of the the school population will need some form of support / CBT or whatever, priorities will be assigned and the odd one that slips through the net will cause the school to have failed in its duty of care.
  5. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    Oh well, that's the first hour of the January Baker day sorted then.
    JohnJCazorla, Pomza, pepper5 and 2 others like this.
  6. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

  7. hs9981

    hs9981 Lead commenter

    chuck the responsibility on to the PHSE teacher, failing that the RE teacher can do it.
    scott1980, george1963 and pepper5 like this.
  8. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    Er, all form tutors?
    Heads of Year?

    No!!! A special role. Maybe a new SLT post for the HT's brother? £65K? No teaching timetable. Obviously!

    OR! Get a TA to do it for £18K.

    But preferably tell the sheep to suck it up and do it for nowt.
  9. Wotton

    Wotton Lead commenter

    So teachers will assess the problem then wait months or even years for the child/children to access specialist support. Anyone recently tried to get a child seen by CAMHS, huge waiting list. More money required so will schools be given additional funding, I doubt it. It's all very well asking schools to assess but if there is nothing available for after that then it will be a waste.
    I would think that most schools can already identify the children needing support though there are always some who slip through.
  10. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    Good point. The waiting list for CAMHS!!!
  11. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Oh good, I can't wait....

    "The new mental health assessments are to be made available to all schools as part of new classes on ‘mental resilience’ which will be part of the curriculum from 2020."
    Pomza and agathamorse like this.
  12. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    As the report says "Downing Street stressed that although the classes will be mandatory, it will be up to each school whether they use the assessments."

    And we all know that the blame culture means that very few schools will dare not use them just in case.
  13. carterkit

    carterkit Occasional commenter

    Mental health issues are a serious problem for both young people and adults in schools but what is needed is professional support from suitably qualified people. We're not psychologists or counsellors and beyond a certain point we can potentially do more harm than good. Wasn't there a plan at some point that every school should have a qualified counsellor at least one day a week? I've yet to come across one.

    I can also think of schools where some pupils will have a field day with such catch-all non-professional assessments. At one school I worked in recently certain pupils had worked out that the magic words which meant removal from any lesson they did not like were "I want to kill myself". This was followed by a cosy chat and a cup of tea, possibly even a mindfulness colouring book, with the most gullible DSL I've ever encountered and a band of lovely but totally inexperienced non-teaching HoY. MFL, science and any lesson involving a formal assessment seemed to trigger these despairing thoughts on a regular basis. Somehow they never seemed inflicted by a desire to put an end to their lives during social times.
  14. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    I lead both these subjects! :p:p:p
    I've worked in very similar schools! Even in primary. A year 4 told couple of year 3s that "In year 4, if you tell them you feel stressed, you get toys to play with in lessons. And you'll need them because year 4 is really boring!" Not quite as extreme as your example, but hey by the time they reach senior school... ! :D:D:D:D:D
  15. Catgirl1964

    Catgirl1964 Senior commenter

    Whatever next? I suppose it was only a matter of time before this 'mental health crisis' was foisted on schools to identify and deal with. The system will be inundated with referrals and the system which already can't cope will crumble. The mental health workers will end up needing mental health support themselves!
  16. CWadd

    CWadd Star commenter

    And we're taking the ******** spouting rag that is the Daily Heil seriously because....?
  17. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter


    The government has also promised more support in schools, bringing in new mental health support teams and offering help in measuring students' health, including their mental wellbeing.

    Are you prepared to take it seriously if it comes from the BBC??? It is what May said today.
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  18. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    If the fount of all my knowledge! :D
  19. CWadd

    CWadd Star commenter

    Why should I?

    Theresa May can **** right off. She knows about as much as the complexities of mental health as I do about quantum physics. And you know what, if I come over as callous that I'm not worried about this, so be it. It's just another initiative that will likely come to nothing.because there is no magic money tree, so schools can't pay for it, so again, she and her time wasting initiative that will do nothing to help students who need it, can **** right off!!
  20. install

    install Star commenter

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