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Refusal of requests

Discussion in 'Behaviour' started by mprcomp, Sep 24, 2019.

  1. mprcomp

    mprcomp New commenter

    I work at a good school. The school used to when I started used to have a policy that if students refused requests on several occassions they used to get time in internal school isolation. It seems over the years it has erroded away well apart from when Ofsted thought behaviour should be better then it changed.

    I just had this in my lesson today and all I got from support was just put them on detention. Three students stopped the whole lessons as they didn't like going through school system for talking and not listening. They just decided to refuse requests.

    Do other schools have a more strict approach on this and how do you try and persuade school and pastoral to see this is more serious than teacher detention? Been at school for a few years and middle leader so could try and talk to SMT about this.
     
  2. welshwales

    welshwales Occasional commenter

    We have quite a firm stance on this for Upper KS2 particularly. Once we have ascertained that there is no 'emotional' reason why they are unable to do what is being asked of them[ maybe a bad morning at home, no breakfast..], and of course that the work is pitched at an appropriate level for them to access,we always ask the question 'are you then refusing a reasonable request?' and if they are/do, then they are removed from the room by SLT and taken to the SLT room where work is provided. If they then refuse to complete that work, they then start the next school day in that room too. If it is still completed, then I'm afraid it's an external fixed term exclusion....I know that might sound harsh but it mirrors the expectation and processes of our local Upper school and we feel therefore it's in some way 'preparing them' for that.
    I know not everyone will agree with this stance...but it works for us...
     
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  3. mprcomp

    mprcomp New commenter

    That sounds like a good stance and they can't just ignore requests from people in real life. Well the students are been moved to two different classes. Doesn't look like school will support me at all just expected to get on with it.
     
  4. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    Here's the rub, can SLT be bothered to do this? At my current school* they will try to avoid having naughty pupils as their responsibility so the policy is to dump them in another room in the department, regardless of the chance of them staying there for more than a few seconds.

    *I'm long-term supply and, once October half-term arrives, work will pick up so I can move on.:)
     
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  5. katykook

    katykook Occasional commenter

    In some schools the number of pupils refusing to follow reasonable instructions would not fit into the SLT's room.
     
  6. moscowbore

    moscowbore Lead commenter

    My first school had a policy which I have used all my teaching career.
    Teacher asks student,"Are you refusing to follow my instructions?". If student says anything which suggests that they are refusing to follow instructions they are warned that continuing to refuse will result in them being removed from the class. Teacher asks once more, "Are you refusing to follow my instructions?". Anything other than confirmation that the student will follow instructions meant that the teacher clicked a button on their computer and a SLT member appeared to take the student away. Serious consequences then ensued for the student.

    Similar for persistent low-level disruption. Student was asked if they wished to remain in the lesson. More interruption would result in their removal from the lesson and the consequent serious consequences. Lesson observations had a section for use of the policy.

    This worked really well and pretty much removed all low-level disruption from lessons. Of course this relied upon an active SLT and relied on all teachers using the policy.
     
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