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Reflecting on what helps you make the final decision to move.

Discussion in 'Career clinic' started by BYusuf, Sep 12, 2016.

  1. BYusuf

    BYusuf Occasional commenter TES Careers peer advisor

    Relief means you made the right decision, rosiecg.

    You have time for a plan to fall into place for January. Are you thinking of a UK return?
  2. rosiecg

    rosiecg Occasional commenter

    Yes probably returning to the UK, although I'm open to any ideas at this point! I have an idea for a business and would like to be nearer family and friends, so I'm thinking back to the UK and teach for a while so I have time to sort a business plan etc.
  3. CaptainTuttle

    CaptainTuttle New commenter

    If I resign this week, what date do I need to put on my resignation? I know I've missed the deadline to leave this term so does that mean I have to stay until Christmas? So miserable and stressed, I'm not sure I'll last that long!
  4. BYusuf

    BYusuf Occasional commenter TES Careers peer advisor

    Hi CaptainTuttle,

    Your resignation date will be 31st October 2017. And yes, you will have to leave at Christmas.

    Potentially, this will also give you time to secure another role that you can step into from January.

    What support are you receiving for the stress you are experiencing?
  5. CaptainTuttle

    CaptainTuttle New commenter

    Hi BYusuf, I don't want another role for January. I went through this 5 years ago and promised myself I'd never do it again... stupidly though I thought I'd found somewhere I could be happy. Unfortunately I'm not qualified for anything else that will cover my mortgage so will have to go for supply roles and hope it's enough.

    As for support, I'm having meeting with SLT where they express concerns and lesson observations that are never good enough- really helpful stuff.
  6. salsera

    salsera New commenter

    Just found this thread .. I have just handed in my notice. I know I can't leave until December 31st but it's time for me to go. I have nothing to go to and know it will be difficult to find a job. I have been teaching for 25 years and have decided that my sanity health and happiness is far more important than the job. Some of the reasons I am leaving are:
    - Mismanagement (crisis managament) of my department by SLT and them not thinking things through in spite of me trying to seek solutions that benefit the students. This has meant I have watched the staff numbers reduced in my department by half, class sizes increase, split classes for teaching, no 6th form teaching of my subject area .. and I am a pool 2 subject head.
    - Frustration with constant poor behaviour from students - and this isn't minor disruption but them expressing their opinions of me loudly to the class on numerous occasions; five individual allegations of assault made by 5 students against me over a period of three years (never had it in any schools previously) - all of which are totally unfounded; a student who "stalked" me in school which stopped but he has now started seeking me out outside of school ..
    - feeling totally undervalued in spite of me knowing I am a more than a good teacher who had the respect of my colleagues and my students
    - being totally shafted with regards to timetabling
    The list goes on and on - and so now I am about to jump ship - I am totally and utterly demoralised, exasperated and frustrated ... :(:mad:
  7. BYusuf

    BYusuf Occasional commenter TES Careers peer advisor

    Hi CaptainTuttle,

    Depending on your subject, supply roles may help to cover your mortgage then again they may not. Undertaking supply through an agency will reduce your overall take home pay. Another option is for you to approach schools and offer your services directly for long term supply.

    Private tuition alongside supply could help to increase your take home pay.

    Are your primary or secondary based?

    The 'help' you outlined is no doubt the cause of your stress.

    Do you want to stay in teaching or are you looking to do something completely different? Would you consider working in a school part time to free you up to pursue other options?
  8. BYusuf

    BYusuf Occasional commenter TES Careers peer advisor

    Hi salsera,

    I don't know how long you have worked where you are, however sounds like you deserve a medal for having stuck with it.

    The most alarming aspect of what you shared were the 'stalking' and accusations of the students. I hope that you have sought advice about the appropriate action to take regarding the stalking.

    Are you aiming to secure another teaching role for January?
  9. salsera

    salsera New commenter

    I have been here for five years and teaching 25 in total. The accusations were dealt with thoug I was not kep in the loop at anytime and lived life on the edge - feeling sick, watching my back.
    As for teh stalking - I logged all concerns and then when the student just appeared at my classroom door after school oen day I knew it had to go further. The outside school incidents are more recent and I have reported it and to the student's parents too, who are supportive.
    As for securing a role - nothing comes to mind yet. Might just leave teaching totally as it's worn me down so much that I feel totally demoralised and under-valued.
  10. BYusuf

    BYusuf Occasional commenter TES Careers peer advisor

    Hi again salsera,

    I am glad to hear that you have taken the stalking further and that the student's parents are supportive. Experiencing that on top of what you face within school makes it easier to understand why you are thinking of leaving teaching.

    I also know what it is like to feel demoralised and undervalued. Sometimes working in another school that openly recognize and value what you have to offer can make a huge amount of difference.

    It also sounds as though you just need to take a break to reassess your options and have the time to consider what you could do. This time of the year is an extremely tough period to consider alternative plans especially after what you have been through. When the time is right, it may be of benefit to seek face to face support with someone who could help you explore possible options and gain fresh perspectives after being ground down. Even though nothing yet springs to mind, there are possible options. For example, many start up Ed Tech companies are keen to work with teachers to gain insights as to what could work within a class / school context. You could work in within charity, work as a consultant, work within youth organisations and so on. The key would be to identify your strengths as an educator and gain clarity about what really interests i.e. teacher development, coaching etc.
  11. ld7675

    ld7675 New commenter

    Just being offered a job elsewhere and the positive feedback you will get in another environment will help you. I am beginning a new role in September and already have had a very supportive induction and even staff helping sort my new classroom which has really helped me to ignore the more toxic aspects of the school I have left.
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  12. BYusuf

    BYusuf Occasional commenter TES Careers peer advisor

    Hi Id7675,

    First of all, many congratulations to you! Here's to many successes in your new role.

    Secondly, thank you for sharing your own positive experiences after the toxicity you had faced within your previous school. There are always schools that value what we have to offer and I am glad to hear that has been the case for you.

    Have a great summer break,
  13. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Lead commenter

    Good advice, but in my case the reason for leaving was exhaustion. I knew I had to move on, but I was simply too tired to look for another job properly. I did manage it eventually however, but it was not easy.
    henrypm0 likes this.
  14. Catjellycat

    Catjellycat New commenter

    I’ve always thought of it as a scale. If enough good outweighs the bad then I stay. Once it tips, nothing would stop me going.

    I worked somewhere with an intolerable head but colleagues and the kids kept the scale on stay. Once she ramped up the awfulness, I knew I just couldn’t stay, no matter how much I loved everything else.
    MarieAnn18, henrypm0 and BYusuf like this.
  15. BYusuf

    BYusuf Occasional commenter TES Careers peer advisor

    Thank you for your reply, Catjellycat.

    Your comment gets to the heart of things by making us think about how much we can tolerate once we compare the good versus not so good.
  16. Ajedrez

    Ajedrez New commenter

    Hear! Hear!
  17. ladylyra

    ladylyra New commenter

    Similar for me. I've kinda operated with this principle in most situations. I don't think I noticed the scale tipping myself this time though for a while!

    I got to a point where I realised I was staying because I was attached to my colleagues whilst everything else was falling away from me. Because of other stresses, I was grouchy towards the kids and losing the passion. I'd occasionally get the enthusiasm back, only for it to be quashed again by something or another. Different courses I went on contradicted things that were happening and made me aware that at times I was being prevented from doing what I knew was best for my class. That made me realise I wasn't giving my best to the kids and if it continued, I'd need to leave completely. Time for a change, then :)
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  18. greetje_w

    greetje_w New commenter

    1. If I am unhappy at that school because of a reason I cannot change without staying true to who I am. For example: the type of students. If they need a police man/woman in order to keep them quiet and obedient, rather than a teacher, I am not the right one for that job.
    I have worked with difficult colleagues, seniors, etc, but they have never been THE reason for me to leave.

    2. I used to stay because I did not want to disappoint my students and/or superiors. Luckily I have learnt to stop doing that. Worst reason to stay, especially if it is not wanting to disappoint any senior management as you leaving may create a problem for them.

    3. I feel that every decision I have made so far has been because of good intentions. To be happy in work. And if it turned out to be different/not what I expected, then it is just a sign to move on.
    MarieAnn18 and BYusuf like this.
  19. becky70

    becky70 New commenter

    1. Moved twice. First time end of temp contract, didn't want to stay there, all very straightforward. Second time, heartrending decision, forced out by SLT.
    2. Wanted to stay with my wonderful colleagues, had been at school a long time but I was unwell with stress and knew it was time to go.
    3. This situation didn't arise. I did supply and recovered my health. I found another post fairly quickly.
  20. pink_reindeer

    pink_reindeer Occasional commenter

    Me too. And now that person is leaving. Typical.
    henrypm0 likes this.

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