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References - current or previous school?

Discussion in 'Headteachers' started by caterpillartobutterfly, Oct 22, 2017.

  1. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Just a quick ask, probably to heads, governors or others involved with appointing members of SLT.

    In general, if you were appointing, would you prefer a second referee to be a current DH (therefore from the same school as the first referee) or a previous DH (from a school we both left about 4 years ago)?

    Both would be great as referees, but is more recent better, or being able to show more variety?

    Thank you
  2. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Don't feel I have the expertise to answer this, but have you considered posting this on the more specialist forums. there are both a Headteachers and a Governors forum. Might get a wider response, though I appreciate some of those do occasionally visit this forum as well.
  3. Wotton

    Wotton Lead commenter

    I always gave one from current or most previous and then one from the employer before that.
  4. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    :eek:I was about to post that I had...then realised that I hadn't! :oops:

    I am such a ditz, that the right referee will probably be irrelevant! :rolleyes:

    Ahh well, will ask the mods to move it for me.
    Maybe they are keen for something to do in half term... o_O
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  5. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Me too, but usually the two headteachers.
    As my second referee will be a DH this time, I thought I'd ask and see what the general consensus is.
    digoryvenn and Lara mfl 05 like this.
  6. CarrieV

    CarrieV Lead commenter

    We would prefer two from different schools, not least because we have had two from the same school previously which were identical!
  7. Pomza

    Pomza Star commenter

    We would prefer to see a reference from the previous employer too, just so there can be no doubt about the accuracy of the information that a candidate has provided. :)
  8. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    You think I should write the truth????? :eek::eek::eek:
    I was hoping to pretend I am the kind of person someone might consider employing! ;)
  9. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    As a Chair of Governors on many recruitment panels we've always preferred the references to come from current and from the previous school, not both from current school. For reasons others have said. And because nowadays any SLT member writing a reference often has to have head approve it so 2 from same school isn't really 2 separate references !

    Unless you had been at current school a very long time - a reference from a school you'd left 15 years ago isn't that useful to selection panels, other than to confirm that you were actually there.
  10. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Thank you, I just wasn't deadly sure what would count as a 'long' time ago.
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  11. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Nor am I! There's no hard and fast rule, every selection panel will have to decide what weight to put on the references received. In the 'old days' SLT candidates who'd been in current school a long time would have been advised to have one from current head and one from, say, an LA advisor. That's often not practical nowadays, but if there is an external 'expert' you've worked with that is another possibility. If your last school was so long ago that that they can't even find your staff file let alone remember you then 2 from current school is still better that only having one referee.
  12. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Oh Heavens! Now you've given me other people to consider.
    I work with a member of our group's governance/advisory board, who would give me a great reference. But on largely the same topics and areas as my Headteacher.

    The previous deputy would be able to show I can apply the same skills and success to other areas of school leadership.
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  13. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Don't know if this still applies, or is even useful, but a former Head whom I once approached for a reference thought about the dates I'd worked for her and said, "Yes that would be fine, because your 'leaving date' falls within the '3 year window' before references are considered a bit old to be relevant and useful."
  14. Marshall

    Marshall Star commenter

    I think it must be from your current headteacher, if you are currently employed at a school.
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  15. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Definitely, and the first referee will be him.
    Just asking about a second one.
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  16. Piranha

    Piranha Star commenter

    I would suggest that references from two different schools would be better unless, of course, one parted on poor terms with the previous school.
  17. digoryvenn

    digoryvenn Lead commenter

    I gave two referees from the same school.
    I had worked at my previous school for 15 years so I really didn't have much choice.
    I think two referees from the same school would be fine or you could put all three names down.

    I am thinking about the referees I could use, if any at all! I think our LA advisor would give me a reference but I don't want to use the c of g for obvious reasons. Could I use another governor instead?

    Good luck with your applications Caterpillar.
  18. Sundaytrekker

    Sundaytrekker Star commenter

    Exactly wot Rott Weiller said.

    Diggory, in your case the LA advisor plus your old school is a possibility. However, you probably need one from your school even if it is ‘agreed’.
  19. Jesmond12

    Jesmond12 Star commenter

    As long as I had a reference from the current employer I would not mind too much who the second referee was.

    You know that you had the choice of two good ones but I would not know this and so I would accept who you put down on the form.
  20. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    I can't give you any advice @digoryvenn, but the very best of luck to you when the time comes.Any of us here would give you a fab reference, explaining all the excellent advice and support you give. That's all a head needs to be/do, anything else is fluff!

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