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Discussion in 'Personal' started by red_observer, Nov 5, 2019.
He should resign over his attacks on the Grenfell fire. Appalling. Shows what he’s really like.
That's why he's apologised. Not because he's really sorry, just becaise he doesn't want to let the mask slip.
Enlighten us if you can.
Except it is common sense to leave a burning building.
And the fire brigade were criticised for giving that advice.
Non-issue as far as I'm concerned.
Comments on this tragedy are unfortunately likely to cause trouble. The firefighters on the scene and the control room staff had been trained that the stay put policy was the safest one. This would have been the case had the building been correctly maintained with the correct materials, and will be the case in future tower block fires. His "common sense" was correct in the Grenfell case, but none of the firefighters nor their commanders knew that at the time.
He has fallen into the trap that so many politicians do: commenting in detail on something they have not been fully informed about. He's been insensitive and foolish. What's more if people take his advice in future he may well have put them in harm's way.
His life experience is such that it is totally detached from normal people. You can sort of see what he was getting at but should really just have shut up.
Clearly no one knew that the renovations in the block would have led to such tragedy (cost cutting is a norm in works for many people whether private or public works) and finger pointing in any direction won't help or bring people back.
Now it is known it is important that building regulations look at fire risk... And perhaps non fire retardent materials be banned in certain circumstances.
What people say is down to their experience, like the Mrs Lawrence's comment about the fire service or lack of experience as in this case.
Would you consider yourself a normal person? Have you lived in an urban high rise social housing building?
Yes I have and JRM is a ****!
Under no circumstances should Jacob Rees Cholmondeley-Warner resign - he's one of Labour's greatest assets.
Its was a terrible , terrible chain of events, and with hindsight so much would have happened differently. What is obvious now was not obvious on the night.
He would have done well to keep his mouth shut.
Do you think London's Chief Fire Officer would have done better to keep her mouth shut rather than admit that the "stay put" advice was wrong?
London fire chief admits 'stay put' advice was not suitable for Grenfell
no of course not.
It was wrong.
Its can't be kept secret that it was wrong. People are entitled to know
The posh boy has demonstrated extreme insensitivity and ignorance. This is what you get from a life of privilege. It is most certainly resigning issue to me.
None of us are fully informed yet.
The next part of the enquiry (iinto the building, regulations, renovations LA role, maintenance etc. ) doesn’t start until next year.
The first part ( and this report) is only what happened on the night) and hence the focus and evidence of the fire service.
I’m just wondering how far:
a) the fire service giving detailed evidence in the first part, gives advantage to, and creates opportunities for, construction firms etc. to ‘get their ducks in a row’ for when they come under scrutiny.
b) someone, somewhere is considering stopping or curtailing the enquiry (now there’s someone to blame) on the basis of cost/ time/ more important things.
There is a difference though. JRM suggested it should have been 'common sense' to ignore the instructions of the fire service. The Fire Chief says the advice given at that time was wrong. He did not criticise the residents for ignoring their advice.
What was reported that he said:
"It seems to me that that is the tragedy of it, that the more one's read of it over the weekend about the report and about the chances of people surviving, if you just ignore what you're told and leave, you are so much safer.
"I think if either of us were in a fire, whatever the fire brigade said, we would leave the burning building.
"It just seems the common sense thing to do and it is such a tragedy that that didn't happen."
Nothing less than victim blaming.
We all know he's a boss.
Too much factual information. Better to stick to headlines that support one's pre-conceived opinion.