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Discussion in 'Pay and conditions' started by rwegointocomputers, Feb 11, 2011.

  1. How does the redundancy process work? We have been told as a staff that we need to reduce teaching staff.

    I am concerned as I am pregnant and due in Oct. Of course, I do not know what the redundancy situation will be but wonder where I stand? School do not know that I am pregnant yet.
  2. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Congratulations on the pregnancy - hope it all goes well (i.e. that it is only one, or two at the most. Just seen a smiling Mum with triplets, but felt for her!)
    Best wishes - this redundancy business will be a horrible shock to you. Your unions should be supporting you all now. If you or anyone else is in ATL, they have a particularly good leaflet, available to members, on redundancy. Worth getting hold of a copy to share around the staffroom.
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
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    The next Workshops I'm doing that still have vacancies are on Sunday 13th and Friday 25th February. There is also a specialist Workshop for applications to SLT on Saturday February 19th.
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  3. DM

    DM New commenter

    Staff will be invited to apply for voluntary redundancy. A redundancy can only be made if no direct replacement would need to be recruited. For example, your school could make a redundancy in geography and then appoint in mathematics but they could not appoint another new geographer. With luck, no compulsory redundancies will need to be made. Your preganancy will have no bearing on the situation.
  4. DM

    DM New commenter

  5. Thank you! Only 1 I hope as its my 2nd baby and don't fancy 3 little ones at once!

    I assumethat any redundancies would be from Aug 31st and I am planning to go on mat leave end of Sept. I am concerned that I wouldn't get the pay and wouldn't have a job to go back to...can anyone clarify this?
  6. thanks for the help.

    Can anyone answer my last post? I am particularly wondering about the OMP part of maternity pay for teachers!
  7. becky70

    becky70 Occasional commenter

    If you're made redundant before you go on maternity leave this would be the case. At the moment though you don't know the dates of the redundnacies which makes life difficult. This all assumes that they'll select you for redundancy which may well not be the case.
    You could go on maternity leave before the end of Sept of course - if you were made redundant during your maternity leave I think you'd still get your maternity pay although obviously you'd have no job to go back to.
    I'd contact your union as Theo suggests as I'm not 100% sure. Congratulations on your pregnancy, too.
  8. What should happen, assuming you work in an LA maintained school and assuming the redundancies will take effect from 31st August is:
    About now your school should be advising staff that there are likely to be redundancies. If they have some idea of where these will be, support staff, admin, specific teaching depts etc these people should be told where the cuts are likely to fall.
    Also around now Section 188 letters should be sent out, these should identify which posts are at risk, ie 1.5 teaching posts in MFL or 2 FTE posts in PE etc. It will not identify people as it is the posts that are being made redundant, unless there is only 1 person in a dept and that post is going, as in the case of Sports Partnerships or Extended Schools etc.
    The letter must spell out the selection criteria for redundancy.
    The school should then offer a meeting for all staff involved.
    These letters should be routinely copied to all Union and Prof Associations in order for reps to attend and support their members. These are likely to be County Reps, not school reps.
    Sadly, as a union rep, I have piles of S188 letters landing on my desk on a daily basis at the moment.

  9. hi all

    me again! this has now happened and the section 188 letters have gone out!

    this has not happened so I am none the wiser! I do know that our dept is overstaffed though.

    can anyone help? Being in early pregnancy I would quite like not to be worrying about this!! grrr...

    The redundancies will take place from 31 st Aug. I am due in Oct. If the worst happened could I go on mat leave 30th Aug and still get my 2 weeks at 100%, 4 weeks at 90% and then the SMP. I know that I would not get the 12 weeks half pay but my redundancy pay would just about cover that so only other prob would be I wouldn't have a job to go back to! Of course, i do not know if I would be made redundant at this point!
  10. coppull

    coppull New commenter

    Both Theo and Tom will have mentioned the Union support you will have in this situation. Assuming you are in a Union you need to speak to the Local Secretary of your area or the Regional Centre,who are dealing with the Section 188 notices for your school.They will have a good idea of where any cuts could made and should be able to give you some advice on your questions.
  11. Redundancy criteria must not be random or arbitrary, nor should it infringe any equality legislation.
    The criteria should take account of the needs of the school as reflected in the Schools Improvement Plan. Qualifications, experience and prof development of staff should be taken into account.
    You cannot be selected simply because you are pregnant.

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