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Really, how did he get away with this?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by monicabilongame, Dec 19, 2015.

  1. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

  2. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Probably related to/friend of the house of Saud, and we mustn't offend them!
     
  3. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    It's a silly headline but if the jury did not reasonably doubt the accuser's story then they would have found the accused guilty.
     
  4. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    Have you read the accused's story? It's ridiculous.
     
  5. Biles

    Biles Established commenter

    Perhaps we should not have trial by jury as they come to the wrong verdict. Should we have trial by a panel of judges instead?
     
  6. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    I have read what has been reported in the media from the accused's testimony, yes, and it's not ridiculous unless guilt is presupposed and an entire trial is summed in a single headline. The jury weighed the accused's testimony against that of his accuser and did not convict, all we get is a silly headline.
     
  7. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    So he has sex with her friend and still has semen on his hands (is that a thing guys?) and he goes to check this girl is ok on the couch. The girl decides she wants to have sex with him so places his semeny hand on her vagina (explaining how his semen was discovered in her vagina) and then pulls her towards him. He falls on top of her and because he's just had sex, his penis is poking out of his pants and as he falls it penetrates her.
    Dunno about you but sounds legit. I mean, who doesn't go to check on houseguests while still sticky with post-sex residue? And it's only natural, when falling, to fall groin first onto something, rather than say, putting your arms out or adjusting your legs to retain balance. I'm sure this is exactly what he explained to the jury in his private testimony.

    And people still question why rape is such an underreported crime.
     
  8. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Some may choose to convict on the basis of monolateral media reports but I do not.


     
  9. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

  10. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Why, because 'statistics' are a good way of judging a profession's efficacy? I'm struggling to think of another profession where that is uncontroversial.

    It comes down to whether you want to trust a headline or trust a jury.
     
  11. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    I think there must be more to this case than is being reported... the reported facts seem to indicate guilt [to me] but the jury only took 30 mins to determine innocence... so either there is something else to it? or the prosecution case was flawed? or something else I haven't thought of because I'm not a legal bod.

    Course, the guy being Saudi... and the initial story being reported in the Mail... probably not a sympathetic spin on the story.
     
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  12. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    Sadly, when it comes to cases of rape, I don't really trust a jury. It's still a world that focuses too heavily on the behaviour of the victim rather than the alleged attacker, and one where there is still a perception that rape claims are something that women will make *****-nilly, for fame, or money or status, or because they wake up filled with regret and don't want to be labelled a ****, or they want to get revenge on some guy who didn't call the next day.
    When it comes to cases where the alleged rapist is a billionaire who is allowed to give testimony in private, and his story makes no logical sense, and it took just 30 minutes to acquit, then I trust the jury even less.
     
  13. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

  14. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Then presumably you wouldn't trust this jury had they returned a guilty verdict.


    I trust the jury and judge here more that I trust media reports and the people who would convict from them: The accused in this case was not a billionaire.
     
  15. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Another thing that strikes me is the resources available to the two sides... how much did state put into the prosecution? ... and what was the quality of the defence the millionaire accused was able to purchase?

    A query only... I'm not sure what the answer is...

    Is justice blind to wealth?
     
  16. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

    Good questions.
     
  17. Biles

    Biles Established commenter

    I don't think there is a way to make juries return the verdict you want. In we only had judges and no juries, they might not return the verdict you want. There seems to be no easy solution.

    The nearest to get to what you want is X-factor style voting where the public vote guilty or not guilty based on newspaper reporting and their prejudices against rich/poor, white/black etc.
     
  18. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    Sorry Millionaire.

    The fact that guilty verdicts are so rare in comparison to the amount of claims made, it suggests that the issue is more with the guilty being found not, than the other way round. Therefore, chances are a guilty verdict is a bit more reliable than an not guilty verdict.
     
  19. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    The prosecution was in the same league as the defence.
     
  20. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    No, it suggests that people are willing to make false accusations as an means to inflict a great deal of damage to a person's reputation and state of mind for relatively minor personal costs and potential gains.
     

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