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Discussion in 'Education news' started by jimm287, Mar 27, 2020.

  1. Endeavour1

    Endeavour1 New commenter

    On Mumsnet they are scrambling for schools to re-open asap and for summer holidays to be cancelled. Honestly students are tired enough with the autumn term letting alone sticking another six weeks on top in hot and stuffy classrooms. Most schools squeeze pupils into classrooms and with the narrow corridors and stairs so it will be a social distancing nightmare.
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  2. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Well a few are...most are replying with it is a total nonsense.
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  3. Endeavour1

    Endeavour1 New commenter

    hmmh some want us all furloughed, some want us sacked, lots of advice on how we 'should' teach...... I don't think it is a chat room that supports teacher well being
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  4. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

    They probably don't realise that furloughed staff are not allowed, under any circumstances, to do any of the work they normally do - so that would include any contact with pupils, parents or even the school itself.
  5. SteveWoodhouse

    SteveWoodhouse Occasional commenter

    When this started, in the couple of weeks leading up to us closing, I had staff h as I g discussions saying we might be closing at Easter for an extra week, others replying but to be daft and we wouldn’t be closing at all.

    At the time I noted what was happening elsewhere, that we wouldn’t make it to Easter, and that might be it until September.

    Now, I’m not so sure.

    Maybe September for a complete reopening. But I’m starting to think we might have something more limited between now and the end of term.

    I’d be surprised if there wasn’t something at Spring Bank. But it all depends on how the stats go.
  6. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Not it's a forum for mothers with too much time on their hands who are suddenly realising that all that the daily nanny, the school teacher, then cleaner, the gardener, etc do is actually blinkin hard work!
    They want to get back as soon as possibly to weekly hairdressing appointments and daily gym sessions with their dishy PT!

    Edited to add that clearly some on there are a bit sick of the nonsense speculation as well.
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2020
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  7. SteveWoodhouse

    SteveWoodhouse Occasional commenter

    We may not agree on some matters, but oh boy ain’t THAT the truth!
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  8. FEZ6

    FEZ6 New commenter

    If we do re-open after May half-term or September it is going to be strange to get back to how school was - how do we approach this?

    Have there been any articles suggestion ways to ease back into school life?

    I am concerned about the well-being and it's not going to be easy.
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  9. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    Again why I feel teachers have let a golden opportunity go by. If they had worked with the government on a phased return there is a chance (admitted small) that conditions for teachers could have been changed for the better - if not just with going back and smaller class sizes, staggered starts, shorter hours etc for a few months, then maybe even permanently.

    With influence they could well have argued for the date for this to happen, too.

    Who knows?

    What we do know is if teachers continue to be very defensive and forever saying the computer says no, it is very likely the government will just send the profession back with no discussion, no real protective measures, no help, no assistance and no chance of better conditions during the next decade of austerity, used and abused to pay back the financial bail out.
  10. moscowbore

    moscowbore Star commenter

    You might be right dumpty. Or the golden opportunity might be to open up the whole argument about teacher pay and conditions and for an all out strike until state education is properly funded and OFSTED removed.
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  11. SingToAng

    SingToAng New commenter

    Sunday Times is saying three weeks.......
  12. RaggyBull

    RaggyBull New commenter

    When he returns, Johnson will be given three dates for schools reopening: May 11, June 1 or the start of September.

    This is what The Sunday Times states. I feel all the papers are just making it up at this point.
  13. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    You seem to be overlooking the key driver behind the rush to reopen schools - it isn't for the education of children, it's for the provision of childcare to enable families to get back to work.
  14. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

    Which is why the Unions need to start planning to ballot members for strikes over conditions.
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  15. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    Part of the problem here is the pluralisation of "Union" - one of the key reasons behind the poor representation and lack of power of the teaching work force is the multi-union representation. It's a weak model.
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  16. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    Quite the opposite, this is the very point I try to make to all my teacher friends and colleagues. When more teachers accept this, they will realise it is better to work with the government for change, rather than think they can or will be allowed to call the shots and make decisions.

    Is an idea but I cannot see a group of unions which have overseen the almost total destruction of the profession be very good when ordered to send its members back to work.

    To be fair, I am not that confident it would win.
  17. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    My guess is this has been leaked by the more hawkish cabinet members with the intention of gauging public response to it. (As it seems too structured to be made up)

    Pretty standard practice but Gove (considered a dove) has said no to it already, meaning there are still divisions in the cabinet.
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  18. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    I'm curious to know how it is you think that teachers have missed an opportunity to make a change to conditions when you acknowledge that the unions who represent our interests are toothless.

    You also acknowledge the government's interest in reopening schools is unrelated to educational values or working conditions - what makes you think that there was ever a "golden opportunity" to be missed by "teachers".

    Your early post has a whiff of unfounded teacher-bashing about it.
  19. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Star commenter

    Striking now would be massively counter productive.

    I suspect if we did that there would be something similar to the 8pm Thursday clap but for teachers it would be considerably more direct and less pleasant.

    To win a strike you need a certain amount of public support, you really, really would not get that by striking now.
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  20. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    Do as I do - contact your MP. Argue with the union that they too could work on better conditions on return rather than (as it appears) just saying no. (I have and am trying)

    I did indeed say it won't be easy and it could end up fruitless but you/we have to try.

    Teacher union bashing, sure. With teachers I just feel quite a few do not want to work on a bigger picture and I fear they will come out of this worse off.
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