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RC Church approval..

Discussion in 'Scotland - education news' started by Tigsy, Jul 20, 2011.

  1. Has anyone got any examples for the statements required? I have no idea what they are looking for in terms of my religious beliefs and character and unfortunately I cannot write
    'I believe and I'm a nice person :)'
    Its primarily about the schools charter and my teaching but they want it in 2 seperate sections.
    religious beliefs.

    any ideas would be really appreciated.
  2. Has anyone got any examples for the statements required? I have no idea what they are looking for in terms of my religious beliefs and character and unfortunately I cannot write
    'I believe and I'm a nice person :)'
    Its primarily about the schools charter and my teaching but they want it in 2 seperate sections.
    religious beliefs.

    any ideas would be really appreciated.
  3. The website isn't very helpful, is it? I wish they'd given more advice too on who can serve as your reference other than "appropriate" and "must be a Priest if you're Catholic" :/ I tailored both my statements as best as I could to the Catholic Charter for Schools, which is what the site recommended. For religious beliefs I vaguely linked my own beliefs to Catholicism whilst reinforcing the Charter and the notion of supporting/promoting Catholicism within the school. For character I assumed they were looking more for things like morals, dedication to the students in your care, a commitment to promoting community spirit within the school etc. That's the best advice I can give you. Just link everything back to Charter. I haven't had mine back yet so fingers crossed that's what they're looking.

    I did find it ironic that my documents check-list from the LA had "Certificate of Catholic Approval" directly under "Diversity/Equality Survey". Lol.
  4. many many thanks for your reply.
    No the website is awful!! I have only just found out about having to do this - have been offered the post and seemingly its been noted I havent done this step and i start in a matter of weeks.
    Character; thats what I was aiming for so glad about that....
    and the referees have proved to be difficult. I've tracked down our now-retired minister who married me and fingers Xd he'll do the reference but a second name is proving difficult...
    Hopefully this wont take too long? when did you send yours off?
  5. The whole thing is a joke. The probationer in my department applied for Catholic approval using her uncle as a referee: he is a teacher, a practicing Catholic and has known her all her life. It was rejected as her uncle is unpromoted. She therefore asked me to do and this was accepted as, one presumes, I was her faculty head. The fact that I'm divorced, of dubious moral fibre and a Presbyterian atheist didn't seem to matter.
  6. ha! and Oh dear.......... well fingers Xd, I get approved for the 2 days a week I am working for.....
  7. Good luck!
    I had an Anglican (but high church) priest who also had a national profile as a bit of a 'character' ready to recommend me when I applied for an RC school. Didn't get it, so the Form B never got used.
    I still have my Form A which I could e-mail you if you wanted inspiration, to feel superior to the **** that I wrote, or just a laugh...
  8. Are you a catholic? I'm not, but when I did for mine (which i never heard back from, but have worked in an RC school for the last year, so presumably was fine), i wrote about the following:
    Religious belief - wrote about going to church etc, helping at sunday school. Spoke about belief in God (wouldn't advise this if you don't happen to believe) - i think it's more about the morals. I wrote about respecting all religions and belief systems, and that the catholic faith was very inclusive, which ties in well with my personal beliefs and views.
    Character - i spoke about importance of my family and friends to my life, and how that took priority over materials things. I 'live in sin', but didn't mention it :) Also put in here about helping each child achieve their full potential, nurturing their talents and helping further their interest.
    I'm not a very religious person, and i think it just needs to be about being a nice person in general, you just need to beef it up a bit and write some examples
    Hope that helps.
  9. davieee

    davieee Occasional commenter

    Fair play to the teachers who have already contributed to this thread and i totally understand your desire to get a permanent contract, but for me the posts highlight how pointless the current system is for employing and selecting teachers for the denominational school sector.

    People who are "not very religious", "anglican, but high church", "fairly religious", "dubious moral fibre" and (wait for it) "a presbyterian atheist" it appears can easily get approval to teach in RC schools therefore if anyone can get work in them what is the use of having form A/B or whatever.

    Again i am not getting at individuals but the system that makes bright, intelligent and qualified teachers jump through seemingly pointless hoops to get a job in a taxpayer funded school.
  10. Flyonthewall75

    Flyonthewall75 New commenter

    The relevant legislation is the Education (Scotland) Act 1980.
    Under a Curriculum for Excellence, guidance on the provision of Religious and Moral Education in Non-Denominational Schools and Religious Education in Roman Catholic Schools was issued by the Scottish Government Learning Directorate on 21 February 2011:
    In paragraph 13 it says.
    The relevant legislation on the management of denominational schools in Scotland states that:
    "A teacher appointed to any post on the staff of any such school by the education authority shall be required to be approved as regards religious belief and character by representatives of the church or denominational body in whose interest the school has been conducted".
    For those teaching posts which impact on the teaching of religious education, teachers will, in addition, be expected to have obtained an appropriate teaching qualification in Catholic Religious Education.
  11. Flyonthewall75

    Flyonthewall75 New commenter

    All staff appointed to a Catholic school are expected to support and promote the aims, mission, values and ethos of the school, as illustrated in 'A Charter for Catholic Schools in Scotland'.
    If what you are suggesting is that some professional teachers, and those who provide references, are being less than honest, that is a matter for them.
    What is clear is that many teachers do take their commitment to the aims, mission, values and ethos of the school in which they have chosen to teach very seriously, regardless of their own personal background, and they are valued members of staff.
    Of course, you are within your rights to campaign for a change in the legislation to prevent those of other faiths and none teaching in denominational schools or, indeed, to abolish denominational schools altogether.
    I suspect, however, that you would encounter substantial opposition from parents, staff, pupils and others and I have no doubt that some would even question your underlying motivation.
    In the meantime, the legislation is as it is and staff applying for posts in denominational schools are required to comply with the procedures that are in place.
  12. Aber1991

    Aber1991 New commenter

    I agree with you. The RC bishops of Scotland seem to be ever bit as useless as their Irisih counter-parts.
    When I become Pope, there will be changes, big changes, very big changes.
  13. I sent mine off about 2 weeks ago (with my completed reference attached) and I still haven't had any form of reply. The schools here go back in 2 weeks though so hopefully I'll hear word from them soon. I'm a Probationer so I was assigned a Catholic school by the General Teaching Council and I don't know how easy it would be for them to re-assign me last minute! That said, my Head of Department did mention that their Probationer last year never did the Catholic approval thing, so who knows.
  14. Glad to hear it. Am I the only person who thinks its wrong to take a post in a faith school if you don't even know what it is you're promising to uphold? (Not directed at anyone, just a general comment.)
  15. 'don't even know' ... well if we're talking about RC values, they are quite a broad church (pardon the pun). I don't think anyone who doesn't even know the school's values would get to interview; and rightly so.
    I personally think I have enough knowledge of and respect for RC, Moslem, Buddhist, 'Piscie, even Quaker traditions to be able to function well as a member of a 'community of enquiry' from any of those backgrounds. I know I can learn from each of these traditions, and I hope I can challenge children's presuppositions about them (even if they are from that same tradition). By 'challenge' I of course do not mean disrespect or undermine...
    But let's extend the discussion a little: all schools have values, and mission statements, or an explicit 'Ethos'... None of these will ever agree 100% with one's own ideals as a teacher: the question is to find a workable match which can benefit the school, its pupils & community *and* the teacher. I'm a Drama teacher; but I've worked successfully in an Engineering specialist school. I don't see that as a problem.
    Similarly on a cultural note. I'm not from Glasgow, with its quirky, pithy sense of humour... But I value this, and believe the Glasgow school I worked in on a placement was able to get some value out of me, a part of which derives from me not being a Glaswegian: hence able to offer pupils the opportunity to reflect on their own often implicit assumptions.
    So when I apply for jobs, unless it's at Poor Tom's Utopia High School, it's always going to be a compromise when I match all my skills against all the needs of the post advertised. And the selection process then has to work out the best candidate for the job, and the candidate has to decide if they will fit in happily enough with the expectations of the school. (I think that if you aren't going to fit in it's often evident through the interview process; there have been some jobs I've been very glad NOT to have been offered the post!)
    But faith is just one element in the equation...
    Though I think I agree with your viewpoint, Delilah0; but it would surely be rare for someone so unininformed to even get to interview...
  16. uberman

    uberman New commenter

    Did you ever get approval Tigsy? I'm here trying to write my own statements and struggling big-time!!! Really don't have a clue what to write other than:

    Religious Belief: I believe in God.

    Character: I'm a good person.

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