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Raab and Tiannamen Square

Discussion in 'Personal' started by MyOrchid, Jun 4, 2020.

  1. MyOrchid

    MyOrchid Established commenter

    Today is the anniversary of the Tiannamen Square massacre. The usual candlelit vigil has been banned in HK and Macau, the "government" citing social distancing as the main reason.

    Meanwhile, Mr Raab is reported as saying the UK is willing to forgo trade deals with the Chinese in order to give them "breathing space" to reconsider the implementation of the security bill.

    An interesting juncture has been reached....
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  2. Spoofer4114

    Spoofer4114 Lead commenter

  3. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    When the massacre occurred I was in Victoria in Canada at a conference. At that time there were hundreds of Chinese students studying at the universities of Victoria and British Columbia - in the evening we all packed into the rooms where TVs were on to watch all the developments.

    After the massacre the Canadian government offered asylum to any Chinese student who wished to remain in Canada - many did.

    It was a totally shocking few days.

    Coming up to date - the Chinese will of course implement the security bill. There is nobody who can stop them.
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  4. MyOrchid

    MyOrchid Established commenter

    From the article:

    "The cables, obtained by WikiLeaks and released exclusively by The Daily Telegraph, partly confirm the Chinese government's account of the early hours of June 4, 1989, which has always insisted that soldiers did not massacre demonstrators inside Tiananmen Square.
    Instead, the cables show that Chinese soldiers opened fire on protesters outside the centre of Beijing, as they fought their way towards the square from the west of the city."


    "Protesters who were still in the square when the army reached it were allowed to leave after negotiations with martial law troops [ ...] There was no Tiananmen Square massacre, but there was a Beijing massacre"."

    So that's alright, then.

    As in Hong Kong, they are seeking the same rights afforded to people in democratic countries - self determination and universal suffrage. Poor b.ast@rds.
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  5. Spoofer4114

    Spoofer4114 Lead commenter

    Universal suffrage produced Trump, Hitler and Johnson so kind of over-rated.
  6. MyOrchid

    MyOrchid Established commenter

    And Communism produced Mao, Stalin and now Xi, so get over yourself.
    I'd rather have a vote than not.
  7. WolfPaul

    WolfPaul Occasional commenter

    Maybe you'd prefer a suffrage restricted to the people you chose, Mr Spoofer?
  8. peter12171

    peter12171 Star commenter

    “Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…”

    Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947
  9. rararasputin

    rararasputin Lead commenter

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