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Discussion in 'Personal' started by Vince_Ulam, Apr 23, 2018.


Is it time for Europe to "build the wall" against illegal immigration?

  1. Yes

    6 vote(s)
  2. No

    13 vote(s)
  1. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    No war has been declared but under the banner of "solidarity" European Antifa have begun to collaborate with our slow invasion by providing organised continuity with the work of people smugglers:

    Ruptly.tv, 22nd April 2018.

    Refugees hoping to reach France find solidarity in the Alps
    alJazeera.com, 8th April 2018.

    We can expect more events like this.
  2. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    Is Britain expected to contribute to the cost or are we relying on the 27 to build 'the wall' ?
    Where is the wall to be built? The European peninsular is surrounded by sea on three sides and theres already miles of razor wire between the Balkans and Turkey, illegals dont tend to go through Russia.
    The issue has to be to a long term plan for stability and growth in Africa, That will need a lot of money and close European co-ordination, something Britain seems to have rejected.
    sparkleghirl and phlogiston like this.
  3. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

  4. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    Antifa the right wing fascist organisation known for violence and cowardly tactics are a real danger to democracy.

    We already have 'a wall' It's called the Schengen agreement. The one that some countries agreed to but didn't adhere to.

    The Schengen agreement and the inability of countries to adhere to what they agreed to is the cause of our referendum on leaving the European union.

    Britain leaves Europe because of the abuse of the Schengen agreement by those countries who signed up to adhere to it and then refused to do that.

    If only those countries who abused it had adhered to what they agreed to we could still be in the European union.

    No matter what they now say we can no longer trust them so we have to leave the European union.

    It's a tragedy brought on by their stupidity and weakness.

    I suppose some members of Antifa will follow suit and end up having sex with the economic migrants they proport to be helping. Just like those deluded British people who went to Calais and destroyed an organised relief effort.

    And they'll be crying that there are boys who need to come to Britain while they smuggle men in.
  5. hammie

    hammie Lead commenter

    The EU signed up to open internal borders not open external borders. No country on Earth can afford unlimited migration in or out. Governments need to be able to plan long term for such needs as education, health and housing. They simply cannot do that if we allow quite literally millions to move as and when they wish.
    Not helped by the fact that the politicians at the centre of it all started to believe they were always right and the plebs were always wrong.
  6. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    There are too many ''we shouldn't haves''... now the scale of the problem is such that we can't tackle it.

    We can barely tackle our own problems, education, health...
    artboyusa likes this.
  7. xmal

    xmal Established commenter

    Let Mexico pay for it.
    artboyusa likes this.
  8. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    National interests and local political strength as much as EU weakness. About 15 years ago EU national leaders signed up to creating a common asylum and immigration policy. However when it came to practice and ratification individual states blocked it through their own parliaments and law making structures. So the East refused to 'share the burden' as they reject multiculturalism. The Germans won't press it as freedom of movement is so key to their economy and wont have a show down with the East as they could then wreck Schengen entirely. So the problems mount for front line cash strapped Italy and Greece who have no choice but to accept the burden delivered on their doorstep, including by humanitarian efforts by the French and British navies. the migrant problem is compounded by reckless military action in Libya by Britain and France that has destabilised much of North Africa so we are left without a key reliable partner. The Italians hand out residency permits to asylum seekers to encourage them to leave Italy to reduce the burden on their country. France doesn't want the burden passed on by Italy so it makes the conditions so intolerable for them that they don't want to stay and head for Britain. As for illegals they'll cross borders whether there is Schengen or not, they've already risked their lives coming through dozens of countries before they even get to Europe's borders. Desparate and motivated people will pay and smugglers will profit even if all European border controls were re-established.
  9. nizebaby

    nizebaby Star commenter

    Why do you use rhe word quislings? I am old enough to know what it means but I reckon most younger posters won't have a clue.
    monicabilongame and Vince_Ulam like this.
  10. CheeseMongler

    CheeseMongler Lead commenter

    Ahh but us younger posters (woo-hoo I count as younger!) are capable of using Google! As I'm sure it was intended, the use of quislings as the thread title enticed me to click on it out of curiosity. If this thread had been called "another debate on immigration", I wouldn't have bothered.
  11. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    It held the meaning I needed.

    Good thing I did not use Ephialtes, then.
  12. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    Making good use of the highlight and search Google function today. Any more Vince?
    JL48 likes this.
  13. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Gallup did a poll... found increasing numbers of N.African's want to migrate into Europe.



    Young well educated male being the most likely...
  14. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    Hardly any want to emigrate to Britain. At least 40% want to emigrate to other destinations outside Europe.

  15. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    The thread is about Europe... not just Britain.
  16. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

  17. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    But still they come.

  18. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    It should be noted that 29% want an EU country, while 34% want nonEU.
    It also appears to be young, male graduates that want to move more.
  19. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Get us, agreeing...
    JL48 likes this.
  20. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    There'd be millions fewer if we hadn't turned Libya into such a hell hole.

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