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Query re supply rates

Discussion in 'Supply teaching' started by MissGeorgi, Aug 20, 2019.

  1. MissGeorgi

    MissGeorgi Occasional commenter

    Is it true that in some areas the schools pay the agencies very low rates for day to day bookings? I’ve been told by an agency that they charge the schools a rate of £125 in total, so the day to day rate paid to the supply teacher could never exceed £110. Is this a fib? Or is it correct? Thanks.
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  2. at64

    at64 New commenter

    It depends on the agency and the contracts it has with the schools. You usually get more for long term supply because you have more responsibility, such as planning, assessment, classroom management, parent evenings and report writing. On daily, you just have to turn up teach, basic marking and leave.
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  3. schoolsout4summer

    schoolsout4summer Star commenter

    If the Agency is paying you £110 a day then they will be charging the school in excess of £200 per day.
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  4. Jesmond12

    Jesmond12 Star commenter

    When I left teaching we were paying the agency £250 per day.

    I now do day to day supply in Primary for £130. The agency is lying to you as they are not going to survive on £15.
  5. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    That is what I thought Jesmond12 and if the agency is lying then that is not a good sign at all.
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  6. gruoch

    gruoch Established commenter

    Agencies tend to charge schools a flat rate and the teachers as little as possible so that they can get the most profit.
    You are not being told the truth.
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  7. CarrieV

    CarrieV Lead commenter

    We generally pay £200 for day to day supply and about £250 for long term. £125 would get us a TA for the day!
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  8. MissGeorgi

    MissGeorgi Occasional commenter

    Thankyou so much folks. I’m an experienced supply teacher but even I nearly believed that one for a second. This query was regarding day to day, not long term supply. The individual was very sincere about this when I spoke to them. Always worth checking! I thought they may have been lying!

    I cannow confidently tell them that they will be paying me £135, which is my usual day-to-day rate, or I don’t get out of bed ;)
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  9. schoolsout4summer

    schoolsout4summer Star commenter

    The problem with taking that stance is that there are often other teachers who will work for much less. You may not get much/any work.
    agathamorse likes this.
  10. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    All too true but I’ve got in the habit of asking every supply I meet what they are getting for that gig. I’v yet to meet someone who’s on more than my £200+ a day for long-term Maths/Science but at least there’s more knowledge of the market.

    The big problem is that only agencies know the true state of the market and they won’t divulge that.
  11. 50sman

    50sman Lead commenter

    at the risk of sounding monotonous I will again repeat the only rule in supply teaching

    Supply agencies charge the schools as MUCH as they can and pay the teacher as LITTLE as they can!

  12. nearmiss

    nearmiss Lead commenter

    Schools are very slowly waking up to the idea that agencies are unregulated, non statutory, profit making businesses making a fortune at the tax payer's expense. Don't use agencies
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  13. 50sman

    50sman Lead commenter

    Schools will still use agencies as the agencies do safeguarding for them and all the schools do is make one phone call to the agenct
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  14. MissGeorgi

    MissGeorgi Occasional commenter

    To be honest, I find that if they want my skills in a specialist subject, they will offer me what I’m asking. That rate isn’t unreasonable, for day to day.
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  15. Jesmond12

    Jesmond12 Star commenter

    We were certainly not slow to what you have said. I do agree with you but what would you suggest instead of schools using agencies. After all it was much more convenient for me to make one phone call at 7am in the morning to get a supply teacher rather than having to make many calls to get someone in.
  16. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    And you should ask. You're never paid what you're worth, or what is reasonable, or what you need to get by, or what will pay for the Australia trip but what the agency can get away with.
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  17. greeneyes

    greeneyes Occasional commenter

    But schools can be just as bad. I know one school that will only pay cover supervisor rates for day to day supply - regardless of whether you’re a subject specialist or not.
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  18. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    I agree but you don’t negotiate the rate with the school. The agencies have the best hagglers so get what blood you can out of those stones and let them use their skills to show the school they need to make exceptions.

    It begs the question “How do you know?”
    Did the agency tell you?
    Or an SLT?
    Or the Cover Organiser?
    None of these benefit from saying honestly “If we must then......”
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  19. greeneyes

    greeneyes Occasional commenter

    I know because the person who hires cover staff directly told me after an interview.
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  20. Robfreeman

    Robfreeman Occasional commenter

    I am aware of schools which do that. You however get what you pay for.

    Pay a supply £80 a day (,not sure what the agency would charge) then you get someone who will watch the class and give the work out.

    Pay for a teacher you may even get someone who is willing to give the work a crack.

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