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QTS QTLS NQT? When Am I actually qualified to teach in a school?

Discussion in 'Further Education' started by julie-woolie, Sep 6, 2012.

  1. Hi, I've just completed my PGCE (Incorporating the Diploma in Teaching in the Lifelong Learning Sector), and I am still confused as to when I can actually teach as a qualified teacher in a school. I've been trying frantically to get a job in a further education college, but location and the subject I'm qualified in (Media) is seeming to be quite difficult in terms of finding a job.
    Therefore, I have joined a few supply agencies that can hopefully help me get by until I get a full-time job. The supply agencies are based mostly with supply in secondary schools, which most have accepted that I can work in with my qualification. However, I heard from one today who was basically asking me if I have QTS, this really confused me because I thought you didn't get QTS until you had done your NQT year (even if you had done a secondary PGCE), but I am now beginning to think that people on a secondary PGCE have QTS straight away after finishing their PGCE? But what are they working towards in their NQT year if they already have QTS? This is what is confusing me, and well I'm guessing I don't have QTS or QTLS yet because I need to work towards QTLS in my NQT year.
    So what I am also asking is if people who do secondary PGCE get QTS on finishing, what do people who do PGCE DTLLS get on finishing, because they don't get QTLS straight away do they?
    Sorry if all this is really obvious and has been answered before, but I just need somone to tell it to me straight what it all means!
    Thanks anyone who can help! :)
  2. Hello there! I am a QTS PGCE teacher, working in an FE College so I hope I can clear up some confusion for you.

    The course I applied for was a 14-19 M-Level PGCE which involved placements in Secondary Schools and FE Colleges and awarded QTS at the end of the course. This was perfect for me as it meant I could teach my chosen subject to students from age 11 to 19.

    1. QTS is awarded as a certificate at the end of any Teaching course which awards it. I received it in the post once I graduated, from the GTC(E). This is awarded for life and cannot be taken away from you (except in gross misconduct circumstances etc). The NQT year is simply a part of obtaining employment with a Secondary School and nothing more. It is effectively your "probation year" as a Qualified School Teacher. You have a mentor, regular meetings, reduced timetables and some further criteria to meet and collect evidence for. This does not result in you "obtaining" QTS as you already had it. NQT stands for Newly Qualified Teacher, so the clue is in the name, you ARE qualified as you have QTS. There is no obligation on you to gain employment immediately following the course so in theory you could have been "out of education" for a number of years and so the NQT year ensures that you have remembered everything you learned and can put it into practice. It also acts as a safety net for the school and yourself should the position not be a correct "fit".

    2. Once you have finished your DTLLS course, you have earned your Diploma! That is what you received, it is a teaching qualification. You are not awarded with QTS or QTLS at the end of a DTLLS course.

    3. The good news is this, VERY hot off the press and was the reason for my posting!!!!

    "The regulations surrounding CPD requirements and registration will be revoked in September 2012."

    Just let that sink in. This is a direct result of the Government Consultation into FE and the IfL. This means that it is NO LONGER A LEGAL OBLIGATION to have QTLS to work in an FE College as of September 2012; just a teaching qualification. QTLS is simply a collection of a number of hours of "Continual Professional Development" which can only be gained whilst IN EMPLOYMENT. The IfL simply collected these hours and entered them onto a spreadsheet for £60-odd a year. The arcane and closed-shop nature of this ridiculous "qualification" (which it is not) is one of the reasons FE lecturers decided to take action against the IfL and the Government agreed.

    So, at the end of the day, QTLS is no longer a legal requirement to gain employment in FE Colleges. You do need QTS to work in secondary schools, however, it is possible "with QTLS" to gain employment in a school teaching certain specialist subjects (the assumption being that you have a vast wealth of professional/vocational experience which Secondary School teachers DONT).

    (Apologies for the wall-of-text but TES seems to be completely ignoring line breaks today?)
  3. Wow, thank you so much for the info!!! That has definitely cleared up my confusion haha! I was just so confused about the whole QTS thing, I had it in my head that it wasn't awarded till after the first year, but obviously that was completely wrong!! So that is where all the confusion began, but now I understand that I can hopefully find some work soon and know what to say if I ever get asked about my qualification again!
    Thank you, much appreciated [​IMG]
  4. An admirable clarification, Ska83gbr; you've illuminated all these things for me too.
  5. To be honest it will not matter because schools are turning in to academies so you will not need QTS or QTLS. The only requirement I have noticed is the PGCE, so stick to that and you will go far.
  6. I'm afraid I'm still not clear and wondered if anyone can help with my question.I did a PGCE in Further Education twelve years ago but have mostly worked abroad as a TEFL teacher.I'd like to know if that PGCE in FE gives me anything like QTS or would be acceptable for schools.I dont have any numbers such as a QTS number or as sometimes required DofE number and I haven't completed a years probation period anywhere although I did work as a supply teacher for four months but several years ago.I'd appreciate any help as I can't seem to get a straight answer about this.
  7. Pugwash

    Pugwash New commenter

    Hi all
    I wonder if you can help me? I qualified in 2005 with a middle years science PGCE with QTS but I never did complete induction. I had 1 term to complete in September 2009 and decided that isn't long enough to allow me to pass the induction so I left education for a job in industry. I'm still in the same industry but I am now studying a PTLLS at college in the evenings as I'm hoping to return to education (one day) - this time in the lifelong sector teaching adults.
    I didn't complete the NQT year initially as my first school was a challenging and non supportive secondary school and I left after 2 terms...I just couldn't get back on track after that and went from one short term contract to another to daily supply and finally had enough..and left.
    I'm sure I could make a good teacher one day if given a chance but I can't leave my job in the hope of getting some teaching. I am happy to do the DTLLS one day but I cannot afford to fund it myself as I'm still paying off my student loan from my PGCE days!

    I'm wondering if I need to do DTLLS as I already have a PGCE? I do need experience teaching adults and those older than 14 though as my 'outdated' teaching experience has been mostly key stages 2 and 3.
    Any advice?
  8. I work in a secondary school has a vocational teacher and have done for the past 6 years. I have a certificate of education and don 't have QTLS status and have not been asked to gain it either. I feel there is a lot of confusion around vocational teaching in a secondary school and what qualification you need. I am head of department and have staff with cert ed only and this doesn't seem to be an issue for the school or our school trust.
  9. Hi All,

    It's a great confusion indeed. I have a PGCE and worked in FE for the past 7 years. I am currently seeking a new job and was asked during the interview to produce my QTLS number. I became particularly, very confused when the IFL informed me that I haven't got a QTLS.

    What should I do?
  10. In FE? It isn't a pre-requisite. Sounds like someone is as confused as you!
    If asked again you should answer that you were certified prior to September 2007 and therefore it is not a legal requirement for you, even if IfL were to remain obligatory - which it isn't as of 1st Sept this year.
  11. My take on this is that qualifications (PGCE, DTLLS etc) are being confused with status (QTS,QTLS).
    To work in FE there is no longer a requirement to join the IfL or achieve QTLS however there remains a requirement to achieve DTLLS or its equivalent. Any holders of QTS can work in FE with a recommendation they undergo 'orientation'.
    As it stands for FE trained collegues to work in a school they need to hold QTLS and be a member of IfL. Their IfL number is used in place of the DfE number and they do not have to undertake an NQT year.
    But I agree with the commentator above that this is all largely academic as schools/academies have been employing FE trained teachers for a number of years, some paying as qualified teachers and some as unqualified.
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  12. Hi there
    You need to apply for QTLS in order to be given parity with QTS. QTLS is granted by IfL, you have to go through an application process and submit a webfolio, it isn't just submitting a record of CPD. Once you have been granted QTLS you are able to teach in schools, you don't have to complete an NQT year, you automatically have parity with QTS. This legislation went through on 3 April, see link for further information http://www.education.gov.uk/schools/careers/careeropportunities/overseas-trainedteachers/a00205922/qlts-guidance. Currently IfL are the only organisation able to award QTLS, therefore you have to have up to date membership to apply.
    To apply you need to go onto your IfL members pages and update your qualifications to include your PGCE. This will automatically open up the professional formation (this is the process you go through for QTLS) pages to enable you to declare your interest. There are three windows for application, the current window started on 1 September. You have until 31 October to submit your declaration of intent to apply, then until February to submit your webfolio, so there is time for you to apply now. Your application will be reviewed in March and you will receive a response in April.
    There are detailed help documents on the IfL member pages to guide you through the process. Briefly you have to submit your declaration of intent (from the professional formation page on the IfL site), this is an electronic notifaction that you intend to apply. This will then open up the webfolio application which has to be completed through Reflect. You will also need to download the document 'declaration of suitability', this has to be printed out and signed and then posted to IfL, if you fail to send in the signed document your application can't be processed.
    The webfolio process is fairly simple to follow, as well as filling in each of the sections and the written commentary for each section you should also attach some documentary evidence to support what you say eg lesson plans, schemes of work, observation feedback, CPD records, learner feedback etc. The webfolio should be reflective and should tell 'your story' in terms of how you came into teaching, how you maintain your subject currency, your commitment to learning and teaching etc. Those who fail to achieve QTLS usually do so because the commentary is limited and there is very little evidence to support it.
    In addition to completing the commentary elements you also need to scan and upload your main teaching qualification certificate (PGCE), subject qualifications and evidence of having achieved literacy and numeracy at level 2 or above. This is important, without the required evidence of literacy and numeracy you won't be granted QTLS. If you have previously achieved English or Maths at GCSE grade C or above these cover this element, if not then it is worth completing the adult numeracy and literacy tests.
    Once you have been granted QTLS, you will need to maintain your membership of Ifl and submit a record of CPD to the IfL annually in order to maintain your QTLS status. I hope this helps, if you need any further advice you can contact me at elaine.szpytma@btinternet.com.
    Elaine Szpytma
  13. Assuming you are an IfL member, you should apply for QTLS through the current window, you have up to 31 October to declare your intent. See my previous post explaining how to do this.
  14. You can get QTS by declaring your CPD and joining the Institute for Further Learning or IFL as it
    is popularly known as. You will immediately be granted membership and you will have to pay about
    40 pounds for a year's membership. Google it and you can take it from there. If you can't register
    yourself online then call them and ask for help. They are excellent professionals. You can also look
    up TES and Jobsearch county council magazine in your area.
    Hope this helps. Best wishes,
  15. No Marguerite and Elaine, as well you are both midguided and mistaken. The IfL (no word further is in the title) is no longer obligatory and neither is QTLS. It is probably not worth going through the effort of getting it, as soon the currency it has will be completely depasse. Let it go and stop giving people this advice.
    Listen to the Pobble.

  16. Absolutely not, what a load of mis-information as pointed out above me. Given that you have "1 post" I would not be surprised if you worked FOR the IfL.
    Long story short then...
    FE PGCE - Teaching Qualification - <u>Does</u> <u>NOT</u> <u>award</u> <u>QTS</u>
    PTTLLS/DTTLLS/CTTLLS/Certificate in Education - Teaching Qualification - <u>Does</u> <u>NOT</u> <u>award</u> <u>QTS</u>
    Secondary PGCE (Professional + M-Level) - Teaching Qualification - Awards QTS
    Secondary + FE PGCE (Professional + M-Level) - Teaching Qualification - Awards QTS
    QTLS - <u>NOT</u> <u>A</u> <u>QUALIFICATION</u> - Continuous Professional Development Certificate - No longer required to be "working towards" OR "must have" in order to work in FE - Can be used for parity with QTS to obtain employment teaching 14+ in Secondary Schools in certain subjects
    QTS - Qualified Teacher Status - Professional Certification to Teach in Secondary Schools/6th Forms/FE Colleges issued by the GTC(E)/DfES/Government - A legal requirement for teaching in maintained state schools
    To teach in FE now, you only require a TEACHING QUALIFICATION.
    To teach in Schools, you MUST HAVE QTS. Using QTLS to claim parity, I have still yet to hear anyone be successful with this. This was intended ONLY to allow "specialist teachers", such as drama, engineering, design technology, music etc with real industry experience to harness their specialisms in schools. It was not implemented to allow an influx of FE A-Level/BTEC teachers to flit to a Secondary School without QTS.
    I hope this helps clear up some confusion?
  17. The only thing I have to add to this is that colleagues currently on PGCE(FE) courses have been told that for the next 18 months QTS WILL be conferred upon them - not sure of the details and they haven't the experience or balls to ask, they are just happy to have been told this!
    I can't find anything about it - not that I have looked hard - but the trainer who told them has usually been well informed.
    I suspect it is a holding solution, whilst someone with half a brain thinks it all through!

    If anyone has any more info I would love to hear from you as my colleagues are a little confused as they are being given other info that contradicts this 'news'.
  18. This sounds very serious Pobble, where have you heard this confusing news. I cannot trace it to any other source. Isn't the new qual called PLFT? When does it come into effect and which awarding bodies is it attached to?

  19. Give me strength ..... how many identities???
  20. You write
    "This was intended ONLY to allow "specialist teachers", such as drama, engineering, design technology, music etc with real industry experience to harness their specialisms in schools. It was not implemented to allow an influx of FE A-Level/BTEC teachers to flit to a Secondary School without QTS."
    You are correct in that the legislation allowing IfL members with QTLS to be recognised as qualified to teaching in state schools was intended to make it easier for schools to employ vocational teachers. What readers of this thread should appreciate, however, is that the new legislation does NOT impose any limitations or restrictions on what subjects FE qualified teachers can teach in schools. They are not limited to teaching vocational specialisms; they can teach ALL subjects.
    For example, I have a PGCE in post-compulsory ed. and a subject specialist qual in maths (numeracy). I also have a degree and a post-grad in IT and over 20 years work experience in the IT sector. If I wanted to teach maths or IT in secondary, I'd have to compete with secondary-trained maths and IT specialists and it would be up to the schools to decide whether my FE quals and teaching experience, and my career background made me the right person for the job.
    The point here is that schools now have access to a wider pool of candidates (who are qualified and experienced teachers) for ALL subjects. Schools have more options for filling positions and FE qualified teachers with QTLS have more options for employment. Looks like a win-win situation to me.
    If this legislation does result in many more PGCE PCE/DTTLS/QTLS teachers going after positions in secondary schools, QTS holders ought not to be concerned. With schools no longer able to pay FE qualified staff as unqualified teachers, positions will be decided on merit and suitability. If secondary training and experience is preferred for a particular position then surely a QTS holder will be appointed. On the other hand, if an FE qualified teacher offers a mix of skills and experience that a school finds attractive and considers to be suitable then perhaps the QTLS holder will be chosen.
    Teachers that have a PGCE in FE or PCE, or have a DTLLS need to make themselves aware how to obtain QTLS and what doors it could open if they were considering a move into secondary (or even primary) ed. It is all explained at length on the IfL website with more info available from teaching unions' websites and from the department for education.
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