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QTLS... worth it? Anybody jumped to secondary?

Discussion in 'Further Education' started by Hannadelaney, Feb 13, 2016.

  1. Hannadelaney

    Hannadelaney New commenter

    Hello!

    I want to know if there are any FE teachers out there who have:

    a. Completed a PGCE in post-compulsory education and training but decided FE is restricted or just not for them.
    b. Taught in secondary schools without QTS.
    c. Completed QTLS and got a job teaching in a school.


    I have taught in both schools and FE colleges for three years and as I specialise in GCSE and A level I have found that I enjoy teaching in schools more. I have only done long term supply English teaching in schools but to anybody who doesn't know what that entails it is taking on the full role of an English teacher for a couple of terms or longer. This has been really insightful and I prefer school to FE. I want to gain qualified status as I have a BA and MA in English and a post-compulsory PGCE plus 3 year's experience teaching.
    I can get QTS but it is £3000 and I need to be employed full time in a school.
    The QTLS route is cheaper (£500) and claims to be equivalent. Does anybody know anyone that has done this? Has it worked for them? Is it what it claims to be?
     
  2. blueskiesmev

    blueskiesmev New commenter

    Hello Hanna,

    I have similar experience to you: long term cover in school, now full time in FE. My QTLS portfolio has been submitted and am waiting to see if it passes.

    The reason for me doing QTLS was to give me the option of going to schools if I decided I wanted to in the future and to show my commitment to the teaching profession (for career progression).

    I can see why you would prefer teaching in schools than in FE but as you were long term cover you didn't have the accountability as a full time teacher. I know many teachers that have come from schools to FE and although discipline is worse the work load and assocuated stress is a lot less.

    The equivalence of QTS and QTLS is debatable. I'm not sure if schools really view it that way, but for certain in demand subjects it will give you a chance.

    What are your reasons for preferring school to FE?
     
  3. Hannadelaney

    Hannadelaney New commenter

    Hello,

    Thanks for getting back to me with a good response. I have previously been trolled and damned to suffer for bad choices.
    I was lucky enough to train in an outstanding sixth form college teaching lit, lang and combined at A level. I had had a taste and wanted more. My first full time job was in an FE college where I taught functional skills, GCSE and A level lit. It was so exciting because the college had just opened a new A level Academy. Results day and enrolment day came and things took a turn for the worst. Enrolment numbers for A level were so low that my timetable became 80% functional skills and the students were horrid. I held on for a year hoping that we'd get noticed and more A level students would come. After a year of interviewing prospective students (200) we had another bad enrolment. A level was cancelled and I slumped into depression at the prospect of another year trying to turn water into wine for the hopeless. One year isn't enough time to reverse 5 years of neglect for these kids. I had one or two miracles which was awesome but rare. I wanted to help them from age 11 so they would never enter into this mess.
    I had had really good experience teaching English in KS3,4 and 5 in three placements and could deal with the marking, planning and meetings. I felt more valued in schools than I did in my college. It was all about bums on seats and the job uncertainty messed with my mental health.
     
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  4. Hi All,

    I completed my Cert Ed In Post Compulsory two years ago and went on to gain QTLS the following year.

    I am currently the Head of Health & Social Care at a Secondary Academy in East Sussex and the job offer was conditional on the basis that I completed my QTLS.

    I feel it is definitely worth completing and it is becoming more recognised as time goes on.

    Good luck in whatever you decide to do.

    SJ
     
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  5. saluki

    saluki Lead commenter

    I too wanted to teach A level and trained PGCE PCET. Opportunities to teach A level are dwindling because all students now have to stay in education until 18. The more academically inclined now choose to stay on at school. Previously not all schools had 6th forms, now nearly all schools do.
    The ones who choose to do A levels at college tend to be those whose results would not be acceptable to study A level at school.
    Instead colleges are getting the students who are not academic and hate education. These students are studying vocational subjects which are supposed to inspire them with a love of learning. They don't. These are the low ability, badly behaved students who failed their GCSEs at school. As part of their studies they have to do either FS or GCSE English and Maths.
    I have taught supply in an academy without QTLS.
    I'm not sure what QTLS entails nowadays. It used to be cheaper but you had to renew your membership every year. Which is why I have never done it. You will need to check if this is still the case, if so QTS would be preferable.
    For career progression I think I would choose QTS. It is more easily understood and recognized than QTLS. Once you have got it you have got it.
     
  6. Teaching_Tricks

    Teaching_Tricks Occasional commenter


    There is another route out there... apply to secondary schools and ask if they will put you through Assessment Only...
    You can then gain QTS in the subject area you are teaching in if...
    • You have more than 2 years teaching experience
    • You have evidence to show you have met the teacher standards
    • You have a relevant degree
    • You pass your assessment lessons (2 key stages, same day)
     
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  7. itsCollicott

    itsCollicott New commenter

    I just completed the Post-16 PGCE and my friend on my course has just got a job in a secondary school and is training towards her QTS. It is possible to go down the secondary route after the PGCE - just sometimes schools can be picky as my other friend wanted to work in a school but was told her qualifications were not enough without QTS. Just depends on the school.
     
  8. questionsandanswers

    questionsandanswers Occasional commenter

    Hi Im doing a PGCE In FE specialising in social sciences, so childcare,health and social etc..

    I was wondering if you have any recourses you could share with me Sarah? I'm starting in 2 weeks time, so nervous, would find it useful to look at some lesson plans / powerpoint, hope you don't mind?

    please send them to o-maria@live.com

    Thanks

    Maria
     
  9. Hello

    I currently work in a SEN school as a CEIG Advisor and welfare officer, I have gained my DTLLS and level 3 certificate in assessing vocational achievement. I still teach one morning a week and I was told with all of this I should be apply to apply for my QTLS- can anyone advise if this is possible?and if so,how? Would help me towards my SENCO qualification possibly?

    Many thanks
     
  10. Aperture94

    Aperture94 New commenter

    Hey!

    I'm a FE trained NQT working in a secondary school, as there were limited jobs in my subject for FE and didn't fancy being unemployed. I've just started to work towards my QTLS, and although I've already decided secondary isn't where I want to be for the rest of my life, I think QTLS is handy so you don't get caught short on the unqualified salary. I've been really lucky to be employed by a lovely school who are willing to pay me on the qualified rate as a supply teacher, but I have friends who haven't been so lucky.
     

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