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Discussion in 'Further Education' started by msprism, Mar 8, 2011.
Seems that the simplest fix for those of us who are well qualified is being muddied by those who are not!
I shall wait and see - not hard as I don't want to teach GCSEs!
It also seems to infer again by 'bussing' that this is aimed at vocational teaching for level two students not A Level/GCSE FE teachers - still no real answers it feels.
Hi Bob79 and all
Bob79 - I agree with your posts. I hold a postgraduate degree in my subject area from a prestigious university as well as all relevant literacy and numeracy qualifications. I teach two "A" level subjects which are normally taught at "A" level only. I completed my "Cert Ed" qualification whilst working as an "A" level teacher as have many "A" level teachers who work in Sixth Form Colleges or FE colleges teaching an "A" level programme - particularly those who teach "A" level subjects which do not appear on the National Curriculum for 11-16 year olds.
The essays and portfolios I was required to complete tested exactly the same competencies as those required for PGCE qualifications. The only difference was that I organised my teaching experience myself - and it was paid. I too find it hard to understand why my qualifications are not sufficient to teach in a school sixth form should I be required to do so following recent allocations of government funding.
I would be very interested to know of the appropriate teaching qualification route for those who specialise in teaching "A" level subjects which do not appear on the 11-16 curriculum. Many schools appear to be happy to employ people to teach these subjects in their sixth forms who have QTS but who do not have knowledge and expertise in the subject area.
At the end of the day, if you have QTS you can teach anywhere. If you have QTLS "it depends"...
Lol, oh well no point stressing, at least for now I don't have to join the IFL! You have to love the SFCF for that blinder
Yes the SFCF has certainly done well. Neither fish nor fowl, sixth form college teachers will now come under the control of Gove. Wonderful achievement all round.
It appears so Cheffy, I can't wait - hopefully real professional recognition which I believe we deserve.
I'm sorry, much as it pains me, there is only one response to that comment (well, one not used instead of 'hunt').
You are amazing, for such a rude and aggressive poster you can surely give it but taking appears to be an issue. I genuinely cannot believe that you feel your only form of attack is defence - hey-ho name call away. I have an opinion and it is for somebody who teaches in my subject areas (A Level/GCSE) that the best place for me is with schools as I have no Vocational training and my skills are not of high value to FE colleges in my region due to the high concentration of Sixth Forms that they compete with - I cannot be alone here. You Cheffy are different to me, you are vocationally trained and in my opinion I can see why the IFL is a good thing for those working in the FE sector who deliver Vocational courses. Pull your head out of your oven and see that a different opinion to yours is not an insult. Not everything in FE is clean-cut and that is why there is so much opposition to the IFL because FE is so diverse and so many people hae so many different viewpoints that they are coming from - DEAL WITH IT!
Does anyone know of someone who's actually tried to apply for a schools post having been FE-trained yet? I guess what i want to know is has the new recommendationactually seen any results/changes?
I'm waiting to see the changes too!
I don't want to work in a school.... but never say never.
I fear the reduction in FE money means that the government is putting all of its eggs in the school (presumably Academy) basket. So I may need to leap some time in the (hopefully not so) near future.
i don't want to work in a school either, but as you were alluding to, it's good to know that the option is now (definitely) there. So, if anyone can share their experience, should it arise, let us know!
It is definitely a good thing re: our subject experiences, let's just hope the Gov don't mess it up!
I this this was a good idea when QTLS/QTS merged as it also helped me as I was teaching in college and wanted to go into maintained school to teach. However, I still do not think some schools understand the whole process and it is questioned if I am shortlisted for an interview. I think IFL should send out full details and notes relating to employing teachers with QTLS. I am so frustrated when on an application asked when were you qualified? or when was your induction? When was the period you completed etc. It is hard to complete that section as I have to add IFL number and I think as a result of not understanding sometimes the individual may not get shortlisted.
I am just concern but to be honest I am happy this has happen although most situations schools are employing NQT's to cut cost and not taking into consideration that experience staff also need a job and it will help them in the long run. Not say schools should not employ NQT but they are given more preference than a qualified QTLS/QTS teacher.
Sorry I disagree because when I got my QTLS I have been teaching in FE for over 3 years and I had to complete the IFL project in order to be qualified. Also I have a degree, PGCE (post) PTTLS and I had to pass Numeracy and English before commencing QTLS. I do not see where schools can award QTLS/QTS, if they could I would have done that.
I have worked in schools of which I had previous training in an FE environment but I have PGCE (post) and a Degree. I was sent to a school as a supply teacher and was then asked to cover an absence but spend a year in the school. And I loved it and want to go back but I personally do not believe that some schools still understand the QTLS system and their applications have not changed to reflect that. They need to be given this information to be able to include these teachers in shortlisting process.
Is it just me or does that make no sense at all?
It is the QTLS that actually means you can teach in schools rather than the qualification e.g. PGCE FE. QTS means you have a status that is you have acheived a qualification and post qualification experience much like QTLS confirms the same but does not use the word status. Both are a measure of competence I would say.
What is the S for in QTLS then? duhhh