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Putin is bad for Russia and I have had enough.

Discussion in 'Personal' started by red_observer, Sep 13, 2018.

  1. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    I’m a Russophile as people know. I have lived and been to Russia several times. I love the people. I’m sympathetic given their turbulent history and great sacrifices in the Great Patriotic War that brought us all freedom. But today I’m cutting my support for the current leadership in the Kremlin. Putin is no democrat. He is anti-gay. He is not a Hitler but he is disgracing the very name Russia. I will no longer give him the benefit of the doubt. Russia needs a new leader and Russia’s good name is getting dragged through the mud with this mans appalling behaviour as highlighted in the Salisbury affair. I was cautious early in but now the latest showing on RT if these two clowns is the last straw. I’ve had a gutsful if him. I hope the Russian people come to that conclusion and soon.
  2. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    If they do come to that conclusion, they'd be wise to keep it to themselves.
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  3. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    Yet he only really represents what we are seeing practically everywhere - a monumental tiredness of soft, cotton wool leaders doing nothing.

    To be honest I think the real concern is here - the Russians are never going to elect a luvvy leader like Obama.

    How long before we elect a Trump or Putin? Even the Swedes are closing in on doing so.
  4. xmal

    xmal Established commenter

    Putin is Mary Poppins compared to most of their previous leaders. That said, he's still a monster.
  5. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Well... that was a refreshing read.
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  6. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Thank you Lan.... I think!
  7. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Russian/Soviet history littered with ferocious leaders. I think Putin has shown bad judgement for too long.
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  8. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    I think something does need to be raised.

    Putin cannot make pancakes.

    Xi clearly did better!
  9. JosieWhitehead

    JosieWhitehead Star commenter

    There are thousands - if not millions - of people who hold exactly the same view as you do, but fortunately we can choose our leaders and they and many others can't. I count my blessings every day that I live in the UK and am free to speak.
  10. Geoff Thomas

    Geoff Thomas Star commenter

    I agree with most of what you say, r-o, only surprised that you have taken so long. Putin might be an ex KGB man, but is no socialist.

    With reference to the Great Patriotic War, Russia and her sympathisers tend to forget that 17 September 1939 (anniversary tomorrow), the Soviet Union invaded Poland in accordance with its agreement with Germany.

    That is two weeks after the UK declared war on Germany in support of Poland.
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  11. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Chamberlain could have done a deal with Stalin before Poland was tragically carved up but yes fair point.
  12. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Chamberlin was not leader of peace deals.His aim as far as i can understand, was to stop war as he felt the people of the UK did not want one...its why he so simply believed hitlers piece of paper that he would not go to war.
    YOu should not underestimate Putin.He is a wheeler dealer on many fronts,although many see him linked to a lot of corruption and to looking after his mates who now money launder through the UK.
    However, he appeals to the image of a stong leader and the need to make the nation great in the eyes of his population,meanwhile encouraging a hero cult for himself. Opposition is not allowed as its becoming a totatalirian state in which freedom is only allowed in accordance with set rules..His people are not allowed to explore information outside of the Russian control,just like China, as a communist state, is stopping its young people from viewing and searching for information outside of the state controlled media.
    Unfortunately for both countries , like Canute, they are trying to stem the tide but too late...much of what he says is not believed and ridiculed in private . Then again its the policy, I believe, to offer confusion so that no one ever really knows what the truth is and the truth is lost in developing conspiracy theories of all events related to Russia's actions .
    The huge pride of the soviet peoples is harnessed to ensure he stays in power, such as developing a mighty armed forces,taking part in world events and commiting extreme cruelty and suffering in say the middle east. In Russia's mind they are proving/showing what a mighty force they are in changing worlds and policies, a role the USA seems to have withdrawn from due to the influence of their twitter twit..but the real problem for Russia is when Putin dies or resigns..then it might all change as there is not real leader in reserve and other forces come n to play.
    Never forget the Goberchov was seen as a disaster as he began the break up of the Soviet union that than was in existance.
    Personally i thought the result would be a Russia with a more modern outlook, but it seems thier leader has chosen to re -assert the old stratagies and dicaties for his own puprose.....offering hope ,yet benifiting his own bank accounts!
  13. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Michael Foot a fellow traveller?
  14. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

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  15. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

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  16. vinnie24

    vinnie24 Lead commenter

    Yes and what anti-Russin posters forget is that it was Russia that defeated the Nazis and but for them the British would be speaking German.
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  17. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    yes but only because they werw attacked as Hitler feared them. The trouble was in conquering thier intent was land of nations,not because they had collaborated withthe withthe Nazies,but rather to plunder resources.
    No one doubts the bravery of the Soviets although Stalin almost fled Moscow. It was following expansionist policies and ensnaring peoples to following a doctrine.
  18. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Without doubt. Mind you I reckon had the Germans invaded our Establishment would have done a deal with Hitler.
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  19. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Not entirely correct. Stalin did not consider leaving Moscow there is simply no evidence for this although some advised him to do so that is correct!
  20. nizebaby

    nizebaby Star commenter

    Red, I fell in love with Russia at the age of five, when I was taken to see Swan Lake at Stratford on Avon.

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