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Pupils starting school in Scotland 'cannot hold a pencil'

Discussion in 'Scotland - education news' started by bigjimmy2, Jun 9, 2019.

  1. bigjimmy2

    bigjimmy2 Established commenter

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  2. Marisha

    Marisha Occasional commenter

    They're blaming it on a luck of specialist input at nursery, I believe.

    Spookily, I managed to hold a pencil when I started school in spite of the fact that I was from a supposedly deprived background and attended not one single day of nursery.

    Some years ago, I was involved in primary/secondary transition. I recall my primary colleagues bemoaning the fact that the nursery class was getting children who were not toilet trained, had no idea of how to behave around other people and, in one horrendous case, didn't even know their own names. (Twins. Answered to either 'The Twins' or 'Hey, you!') That's down to non-existent parenting, surely.

    When I was in sixth yr (in the late '70s), I volunteered to work in a local nursery. In order to gain admission, parents had to be able to state that their child was at least 3 yrs old and had been toilet trained. I'm at a loss as to why many modern parents seem to be unable or unwilling to cope with the basics with their children.
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  3. hhhh

    hhhh Lead commenter

    Well, what do you expect? The parents were so busy just leaving them on ipads that they never managed to take them to the park, or to toilet train them either. I'm not joking-friends who work in Reception tell me it's very common.We were holding pencils much younger-but they didn't tell people not to give toddlers ordinary thin pencils for mark-making back then!
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  4. dunnocks

    dunnocks Star commenter

    It was found to be discriminatory to insist children couldn't attend nursery if they weren't toilet trained
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  5. bigjimmy2

    bigjimmy2 Established commenter

    Had I been a nursery teacher I would have refused to wipe any wean's bottom. I mean, come on, get real!
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  6. Educ84Math

    Educ84Math New commenter

    Maybe this goes some way to explaining why, by the time they get to secondary, some pupils insist that they want to borrow a pen as they 'can't write with a pencil' (!!!).

    So many things wrong there - firstly, the issue of borrowing (I bet they never borrowed the latest smartphone they're always whipping out in class...; secondly, the last time I checked, a pencil is held in the same way as a pen, isn't it ?

    No ability to think for some of them - as the parents/guardians probably haven't let them deal with any opportunity to fail, so they can learn or deal with things that make them uncomfortable ('I don't like writing with a pencil'; 'there's too much writing in class'; 'can you just spend the whole lesson going over examples on the board ?').

    Snowflake generation...
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  7. bigjimmy2

    bigjimmy2 Established commenter

    Quite often I say I don't have any more pencils (or pens for that matter). Often it's because I've lent out so many there's none left anyway. "What am I going to do then?" often follows. "Just do what you usually do": ie nothing!

    Latest phone, latest trainers, latest hoodies etc, but the 10p thing they need five days of the week, na.

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