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Priti Patel: Bullying claims from time at DfID revealed

Discussion in 'Personal' started by chelsea2, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

    Am I missing something? Isn't this about the two being 'sacred cows'?

    Incidentally, for good or bad reasons, 'cows' and 'pigs' have been thought of rather differently in the past, so the use of a pig means something different to that of a pig.

    But, if you truly think it is 'full on racist', I presume you have made an official complaint?
  2. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    No it isn't.

    She's a nasty piece of work and should go.
  3. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    Like you actually know her or have even seen her.
  4. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    There is no equivalence in the use of a pig or a cow (I missed the point anyway. I thought they were devil horns until you pointed it out.)

    A pig in Islam is unclean and that would indeed be a serious insult. A cow in Hinduism is sacred, and gave rise to our colloquial idiom "a sacred cow" i.e. something so revered it is above criticism.

    As you probably knew.
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  5. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

    How many times have you met or seen her, Maj?
  6. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

    "Incidentally, for good or bad reasons, 'cows' and 'pigs' have been thought of rather differently in the past, so the use of a pig means something different to that of a pig."

    In case anyone is confused the above (in post 100) should read:

    "Incidentally, for good or bad reasons, 'cows' and 'pigs' have been thought of rather differently in the past, so the use of a cow means something different to that of a pig".
  7. Kandahar

    Kandahar Star commenter

    And yet, here it is, in the cartoon, being used as a form of criticism.
    You appear to have argued with yourself.

    It is also extremely poor quality caricature - as if created by an 11 year old.
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  8. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    Bulls, not pigs. Pigs don't have horns.
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  9. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

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  10. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

    Those are tusks, not horns.
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  11. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Whatever they are, you wouldn't want them up you, Cap'n Mainwaring.
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  12. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    More accurately, it is a selection of stereotypes that are used to construct a worse-case archetype for masculinity. In this sense it is a fairy-tale amongst other fairy-tales, that is part of a larger “social justice” architecture. Employing this archetype in any form, for example in education stigmatises boys, men and masculinity.

    For clarity, “toxic female” archetypes are also universal, but their use are no longer acceptable, because the stigmatising nature are understood.

    The stigmatising nature of TM is also understood, but regarded as socially acceptable in a culture which denies femininity and masculinity outside a narrow understanding of “patriarchal” socialisation. Using TM to shape and form relationships thus becomes virtuous despite the obvious damage to esteem it causes to young men.

    No, it was a conversation about one man, which you used to construct an argument about the abuse of power in hierarchies which went out of the way to exclude women.

    A more developed analysis would be to say that power lends itself to abuse along the lines of Male and Female trait preferences. Women are attracted to power in hierarchies, which provides powerful men opportunities such as Harvey Weinstein and males are attracted to women of a specific age range and who exhibit desirably physical traits, which makes more sense of female teachers having affairs with Male students.
  13. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    I enjoyed Steve Bell as an 11 year old. But while the world moved on he seemed stuck in adolescent caricatures.
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  14. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    I think the horns in the cartoon are on the head...

    In any case it’s not a smart, witty or clever political cartoon, it’s just a brutal depiction of people he doesn’t like as bestial
  15. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    I think a couple of posters should attend extra biology revision after school next week

  16. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    I think the cartoonist is suggesting that the two politicians are "bull"-ies. Hence the horns on the head and the rings through the nose.

    I do agree, however, that the cartoon is neither clever not funny.
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  17. ilovesooty

    ilovesooty Star commenter

    I agree with the interpretation. Also agree that it's crude and not amusing.
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  18. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    It takes a talented (I mean intellectually and socially, rather than artistically) cartoonist to produce a political cartoon which makes a statement without being crude and offensive.

    Steve Bell does not fit that category.

    That said, the allegations of bullying by Priti Patel should be properly and independently investigated and any appropriate action taken.
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  19. ilovesooty

    ilovesooty Star commenter

    Agreed. Cartoons need to be witty and sophisticated. I can't imagine why they commissioned and printed this one.
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  20. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    I disagree entirely with this interpretation and thus far I’m completely unconvinced by your assertions. You’re entitled to your opinion though, just as I am to mine.

    I was replying to someone asking for examples of how men in power have been able to use their position to evade responsibility and accountability. I was giving examples requested and I have no responsibility to expand on that to include things in the discussion that you find more palatable. If you wanted to take the conversation in that direction, you could have replied to me bringing up those points, and I’d have been happy to discuss. But you didn’t because, let’s be honest, all you are really concerned with is deliberately misinterpreting my posts and claiming that they prove I’m anti-men or something.

    That’s a lot of words just to say you think it’s all women’s fault really and they deserve what they get.
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