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Primary teachers...why don't you teach PE?

Discussion in 'Primary' started by gogojonny, Jun 30, 2011.

  1. nick909

    nick909 Star commenter

    Do you SHOUT when you mention NON-OLYMPIC sports as well, such as DARTS, KABADI and CABER-TOSSING?

  2. I am amazed at this attack on primary PE teaching!!!! I would like to say that after 7 years of teaching I have a had several training sessions on many different aspects of PE teaching but that doesn't cover everything I need to know and learn! I do as much prep as I can myself asking for advice and support from anyone who will give me it! I paid for myself to attend a gym course to better my teaching. How dare someone make statements saying primary teachers obviously don't care!!!! We do that's why we are teaching in the schools that people who teach in the independent sector refuse to work in! You can have all your resources, acres of playing fields and cricket whites as I would much rather teach children who clearly cannot afford all those luxuries but who like myself make the most of what they do have. May I also add that they have more manners and respect than some posters on here this evening and also understand that everyone's circumstances can be different therefore their opinions may also differ. Maybe the person who started the post and the attack on my colleagues could learn a thing or two from my year 4 class on these areas and in return he can offer them the outstanding PE lessons he is assuming that I never bother to teach.
  3. jimofleeds - you'd be hard pushed to teach water polo to our lot cos we're 12 miles from the nearest pool and we can't afford buses.
    We are very lucky that we have a PE visiting specialist (covers some non class contact time) who is excellent and we always get him to teach gymnastics as we are very aware that technique is important and that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. He is just so good at his job but we only get his services for 45 minutes per week - if the school and class are lucky enough to be timetabled to get his services. Regardless, we timetable for our total of 2 hours per week, which can slip for all the reasons already given (and probs more). However, we do have sports day and if any other offers of PE are given - we grab them with both hands. There are netball, badminton and football clubs. BUT there are no art clubs, to help with slippage of art, no music clubs, no RE clubs. We do have Young Engineers for P6/7.
    We have no field - just a tarred playground and I do not relish playing games that involve competitive running there due to the fact that the injuries that occur usually require some mopping up and without help (the usual situation) it's difficult to manage the injured party and the rest of the class (depending on age etc).
    We should remember that there is good and bad practise throughout the land in all subjects and I think that encouraging others to up their game, rather than berating them would produce better results. Would you have a rant at the pupils if you wanted them to improve their motivation or perhaps chose the appropriate 'carrot' for each of them. Setting up links to useful sites, books to help etc on TES Resources may be practical ways to encourage people to improve rather than dishing out sweeping 'You're rubbish at teaching PE' generalisations.
    Btw, Dore set up his business, claiming to 'cure' dyslexics based solely on tailored kinasthetic exercise. He has gone bust and those that endorsed his 'cure' (e.g. sports personalities) have since admitted they are not cured. Cross body exercising is only one (albeit important) tool in the toolbox of helping those with learning difficulties - or diffabilities.
  4. Never written on here before but the attitude of gogojohnny is incredibly irritating and downright insulting at times. You keep on harping on about 'well in the indy sector this happens'. Great for you. In an ideal world of course PE would be taught, just like all the foundation subjects. In the real world pressure comes from above to not let lit/num pass by the way and things have to give at some point.
    Your argument seems to be either that 'the indy sector' manages it and therefore state should to, that teachers are too lazy to do it properly, that PE is just as important as any other subject, and that there are resources out there.
    The last one is a good point, and thank you for some of the ideas and pointers. The second to last is idealistically great but impractical in the state sector. The first two are just complete bollucks. Sure there are lazy teachers out there, but I bet there are as many 'lazy' teachers who teach PE as an easy lesson (no marking, possibly less planning/organisation), as there are those who you call 'lazy' due to a lack of good training.
    PS Your reference to cricket whites and their apparent importance to PE shows just how divorced you are from the realities of the state sector. Cricket whites?! We are lucky if they have trainers in many cases! Why would whites be important!?
  5. And does anyone know where I can get a copy of Grammar for writing for Year 5?! That's what I originally came on this board for!
  6. gogojonny

    gogojonny New commenter

    Obviously it's all my fault - lazy teachers, full of excuses, I'm to blame.
    It's the pupils I feel sorry for who are failed by these teachers. Please don't blame lack of training - as has been said it's up to you to learn games. If you an unsure of forward roll technqiue then teach something else, don't just give up.
    And cricket whites is as simple as a white polo shirt and tracky bottoms. It's important because the kids look like a team and go and play a competitive game to win. Something which again lacks in so many schools.
  7. gogojonny

    gogojonny New commenter

    So no competitive games, how sad. I get kids with injuries, part of life and parents are happy that they are plaing proper games. Accident book should be hand.
    I've given some resource details already. Do you want me to do everything for you? Are you not trained to look for PE resources? Resources aren't the issue - it is the lack of effort to devote any time to learning how to teach PE.
    Dore was a businessman, his mistake was claiming it was a cure. But it is blatantly obvious that PE helps those suffering from dyslexia and DCD. Won't help all but clear it makes a difference. Some will argue that poor teaching (dysteachia) causes most dyslexia and DCD.
  8. Not only blatantly obvious but measurably so. Despite Dore's tactics the majority of the research on the subject stands up quite well to scrutiny!
    And when you add in the other physical, physiological and psychological benefits, most of which will have a marked, measurable and proven benefit to ALL other learning it surely becomes a no brainer.
    Though I am certain my sister will still cavill.
  9. I never said it was your fault, I'm saying that your position of 'well if the indy sector can do it why not the state?' is bollucks. Why would I suggest it was you to blame? That would be absurd. All I said you are to blame for is being irritating and insulting.
    And when did I blame a lack of training? I personally don't think that training provided is adequate, but agree that there is stuff out there.
    You have 'responded' to a post that I didn't write, just trying to further your own ignorant agenda. Your standing up again for cricket whites is further proof of that. Yes it does make a team look like a team, but they are also expensive for parents who struggle to pay for a school uniform. If you can't see that it is a ridiculous point to make you either have no grasp of the state sector or are just sticking your head in very deep, particulalry sanctimonious sand.
  10. coaltown1

    coaltown1 New commenter

    I have been watching this thread for a while and cannot quite believe how rude you are being to people.
    I love teaching PE _ let's get that clear. I don't think anyone is really asking you to do their job for them but I also don't think you have any idea what it is like to teach in a primary school nowadays. We have to look for resources for all our subjects not just PE - unlike you who only teach the one subject.
    Also in the last few years we now have to incorporate an hour in the computer suite and a slot for outdoor learning per week.
    Something has to give because we are fitting these into the same hours as before. It's not a case of people deliberately giving up PE or any other subject - the curriculum is so very crowded nowadays and becoming more so.
    I think you need to come off your high horse (a PE joke!) and accept that your views differ from others and you cannot judge others by your own experiences alone.
  11. gogojonny

    gogojonny New commenter

    White polo shirt - as little as £1 - easy
    Tracksuit bottoms - £2/3 - easy
    Finding a teacher willing to run a cricket session and organise fixtures against other schools - very difficult.
  12. gogojonny

    gogojonny New commenter

    Some posters have resorted to swearing, don't think I'm the one being rude. I'm being blunt and stating the obvious.
    If you do PE well done, but it is clear that many don't. These teachers are failing a nation of kids, and then wonder why they don't get a Level 4 in Maths? But they collect their pay cheque and then do exactly the same the following year, avoiding PE at all costs.

  13. coaltown1

    coaltown1 New commenter

    I can see you are passionate about your subject and understand your frustrations when some children are not getting their quota in school.
    However you are never going to persuade those so-called errant teachers otherwise - I sometimes miss drama due to the demands of the curriculum and I just hope there isn't an over zealous drama teacher out there who will now have serious words about my lack of provision. We are only human and primary teachers have to teach all subjects - some we are good at and like,some we aren't good at or don't like.
    I teach in a deprived area where we often have to provide children with the very basic gym kit, sometimes it can be almost half the class. It can be frustrating to say the least. I used to teach a rugby club after school until demand fell - apathy among parents can be a problem too.
    What I'm trying to say very clumsily is that what you want for all will never happen and it's not all down to just primary teachers.

  14. Again gogojonny you are making sweeping statements you know nothing about!!!! I am in school at 7:30am and not home until almost 7pm Monday and Wednesday and usually by 6pm on a Tuesday, Thursday and Friday.
    When I get home I have less than two hours to prepare a family meal and spend some time with MY OWN children before they go to bed. After they are tucked up I then CONTINUE to WORK - marking, planning and assessing until possibly gone 9pm!!
    Are you actually questioning my entitlement to my pay cheque because I might have to miss a PE lesson once a term due to the Christmas production, leavers concert or the school hall being used for other benefical whole school activities?
  15. ***Benefical
    Typing error - thought I had better state this before gogjonny tells me I try to avoid teaching English and spellings as well!!!
  16. We don't have a hall, therefore if it is not suitable weather, PE can't happen.
  17. It is a legal requirement and a core subject...FACT!
  18. Since when did it become a core subject?
  19. I did a 4 year Primary Education degree.
    During that time we received 15 hours of lectures and workshops to teach P.E.
    That was it.
    In fact ALL foundation subjects had that level of input; the majority of the time covered Maths, English, Science and Educational theory
    Then people wonder why a number of Primary teachers are not (so) confident teaching P.E.
    Hardly surprising that so many schools have a Val Sabin file.
    The timetable changes are part and parcel of Primary life. There is no such thing as a standard week in Primary school. Flexibility is key.
    Resources are often limited in schools and/or damaged/incomplete sets.
    I've never received any P.E. training via INSET in the 8 years since I qualified. Neither have any courses ever been offered for my own CPD.
    As for suggesting P.E. is only taught in the afternoons, ha! Some schools have more classes that allocated time slots for the hall in the afternoon. Yes, they could do outdoor P.E. but if the weather's bad, they'll miss out unless the hall is free. Few primaries have 2 halls or a gym.
    In an ideal world, it would happen. We don't live or teach in an ideal world.
    Change happens. Timetables change. The children have to learn to adapt to change else they will struggle with change as they get older.

  20. If I wanted to deliver something I would still work for Royal Mail.
    I don't deliver lessons to children; I teach them.
    Perhaps you would benefit from a lesson in Literacy in order to type grammatically correct sentences.

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