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Primary teachers...why don't you teach PE?

Discussion in 'Primary' started by gogojonny, Jun 30, 2011.

  1. here here!!
     
  2. gogojonny

    gogojonny New commenter

    Yes actually I could. I've had to pick up a few things over the last year - involved me going away and spending time to develop my knowledge.
    Class teachers should teach PE. Not asking for specialist high level rugby coaching, asking that you take the kids in the hall or outside to maybe do the primary athletics scheme, or a circuits class. You're paid to teach everything, and it's not fair on the kids that many of you pick and choose what you want to do.
    As per usual the defences come out and the classic excuse is 'we are not trained / not specialists'. Absolute rubbish - you're paid well to teach all subjects.
     
  3. You've "picked up" enough things to do the job of a class teacher? What a load of ****. How would you set up a year three numeracy lesson on addition to account for two children who can't manage number bonds to ten, as well as challenge five children who can solve simple differential equations? In 45 minutes? Then lets say you have one autistic child who can't cope with the classroom environment for more than about three minutes, but has to also be included. Maybe your TA is sick today. How about if one of your more challenging statemented pupils has torn the pages out of your textbooks? Your excercise books have also been collected in to be asssessed by the numeracy coordinator. Your IWB is broken.
    Oh, and there's three consecutive "theme days" following todays session, which means the kids are all hyper, and you won't have the time to do this any other day.
    You can do that? And mark everything?
    You must be some sort of bloody superhero. You have not got a jot of a clue, mate.
    Not one single person in this entire thread has said their children have no PE ever.
    And my post contained no reference to lack of training, or lack of specialism. Only to the fact that you -are- a specialist, and therefore have no idea how a classroom actually runs on a day to day basis.

    So as I said before, take your attitude somewhere else.
     
  4. You have made a massively unfair generalisation there. I've never met a primary teacher that doesn't teach P.E or at least attempt to (not pretending they are all outstanding lessons) I am not a P.E specialist or sporty person but I enjoy teaching P.E bar gym really because we so not have the facilities. The hall is tiny for Years 5 and 6 and we have minimal equipment and I must admit I am nervous about them hurting themselves whilst trying to complete rolls etc. In fact classes tend to get more P.E this time of year when it is lovely outside and I do mean proper P.E before you even think we all just play rounders!
     
  5. Well, I wondered where the anti-private sector came from with some teachers - think I've just discovered the answer!
    You do the independent sector no favours with your arrogance and assumptions. If your aim is to discredit state school attitudes to PE then I feel you have missed the mark because all that really stands out in this thread is your 'head up your own backside' pro- indi sector attitude. It takes away any validity to the points you MIGHT have wished to have made.I don't say that as an anti-indi person - my children go to an indi school and I made that decision for numerous reasons. If however I discovered they were being taught by you I should be instantly writing to the Head for fear that they would be encouraged to live up to all of the stereotyped nonsense peddled by the anti-indi brigade.
    No school is perfect, regardless of how white the cricket whites are (and you mention this aspect of your teaching far too many times for my liking). My kids' indi school does many things well, some things less so. Shockingly so do all of the state schools I've been in.
    'If the indi sector can do it'... well can they? Does every indi school ensure that their kids get 2 hrs a week with no exceptions - of course they don't! They too have enrichment activities at different times of year and other such issues - if they don't then I'd want my money back! As a parent I love the sports opportunities my girls get but I do get a tad narked when yet another afternoon of teaching (not originally timetabled as PE time) is voided through a sporting fixture - sometimes other subjects are just as/more important than PE (shock horror!).
    So - to summarise, yes PE is important but so is a sense of perspective on PE and your own importance. Becoming a reflective practitioner is seen by many as a good thing, perhaps you may wish to spend time on Amazon searching for publications that could enhance that aspect of your own personal development. I would suggest it would be time well spent for you, the children you teach and the reputation of independent schools nationally.
     
  6. Oh - and where does a salary of £25k+ come from???? Err - try £21K.....
     
  7. gogojonny

    gogojonny New commenter

    Excuses, excuses, excuses.
    My autistic child loves PE, in fact he is better than most of the class at it.
    You're attitude stinks, and it sounds like you are failing your children.
    I have a great view on how a classroom runs on a day to day basis. Sadly 99.9% of the problems are caused by the class teacher.
     
  8. gogojonny

    gogojonny New commenter

    Wake up and smell the coffee. PE teaching in most (not all) state schools is sub-standard (if taught at all). This is the main point. Cast aside all fixtures etc., in some schools PE is not taught at all - it is a scandal yet is covered up by sports partnerships and the like running around to justify their jobs.
     
  9. gogojonny

    gogojonny New commenter

    To further add to the debate, are female teachers less likely to teach PE / Games then male teachers?
    In my experience female teachers avoid PE more than males? They then complain when groups of boys in their class start to misbehave?
    It's not rocket science is it?
    If you're a primary teacher why are you not using the AVIVA Athletics Scheme - perfect for all KS2?
     
  10. gogojonny

    gogojonny New commenter

    Some schools decice to emply level1 coches to deliver PE.
    This is level1 in any sport.
    They are paid anything from £75-120 a say.
    This level 1 may be in football, but they are asked to teach tennis.
    They do not have the behaviour management that teachers have.
    21K is a very good wage. You are paid to teach all subjects - if you can't teach PE then I would question your ability to be a teacher all together.
    If you can confuse our kids with chunking, but not teach them to catch a rugby ball, then there must be something wrong with you.
     
  11. Nice deflection. Next time, you can just say "No, actually, you're right. I can't do the job of a class teacher. Especially as I don't know the difference between "your" and "you're"."
    My post details no excuses. Your posts demonstrate that you have no idea how to run a classroom. If this perception is incorrect; demonstrate it. Simply stating the point as fact does nothing to assuage the sanctimonius attitude you've expressed thus far.
    I don't really see how you can comment on my teaching practise, since I gave you no information about what goes on in my classroom at all. Your accusation is crude and incorrect, but luckily, you're the last person I'm going feel obliged to justify myself to.
    Take a post as a class teacher, and then come back in a year and tell us we're all awful at what we do.
     
  12. ...I'm in KS1....
    Your trolling is getting more and more pathetic.
     
  13. I love teaching PE but am thinking of boycotting it just to pi** off GoGoJonny. Anyone fancy joining me? It will last about 6 weeks and most of it will be in August!
     
  14. Have you ever worked in a primary school? Lessons get lost all the time because of other enrichments being popped into the week that were originally not scheduled for.
     
  15. I’m a female teacher as are many of my friends who are
    really enthusiastic and always make time to teach P.E sessions. Despite this the boys in my class still
    misbehave it’s got nothing to do with the fact that I’m avoiding P.E. Not all
    female teachers avoid P.E think you need to get your facts straight.
     
  16. OP. Where is your evidence that primary schools do not teach PE.
     
  17. He hasn't got any evidence. He's enjoying winding people up as he obviously hasn't got anything better to do while his PE kit is being washed by his mum.
     
  18. Chilli_bean

    Chilli_bean New commenter

    The teaching of PE has been a big topic in our staff room recently. I finished my NQT year last December but this is my first academic year with a 'real class'. I find PE quite scary to teach as in my PGCE, we had very little time reserved for PE; I think it came to about a day of training. This, in my mind, just isn't enough to get an idea of good teaching techniques and was extremely rushed.




    I have personally taught myself a lot, watched other members of staff and got ideas from my PE coordinator. My children get 1 1/2 hours to 2 hours of PE a week with Take 10 each day as well. I understand if teachers pass the job over to specialists but there is no way that it should be overlooked. I think better training would make more teachers feel better equipped to teach PE.
     
  19. Martin87

    Martin87 New commenter

    This thread is ridiculous and everybody should just refrain from replying to gogojonny.
    He has an agenda based on no evidence whatsoever.
     
  20. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    as the thread was over 2 years old I am not sure why it was resurrected!
     

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