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Primary teacher becoming Secondary P.E teacher???

Discussion in 'Secondary' started by pturne, Dec 10, 2015.

  1. pturne

    pturne New commenter

    Hi colleagues,
    I have worked as a Primary teacher for the last 5 years and have always had a love for physical education and led P.E in both schools that I've worked in. Over the last year, I have often wondered whether I should be using my love for sport/P.E every day rather than for 2 hours a week! Sadly, I don't possess any qualifications in P.E but have vast experience of teaching children in Primary schools. Is there a quick route that I could take to becoming a secondary P.E teacher as I already have QTS or would I need to study for years at University? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
    Thank you.
  2. frustum

    frustum Star commenter

    You have QTS, which qualifies you to teach any age-group - although I don't know whether there are extra requirements for PE given safety considerations. However you'd need to find a school willing to take you on, and from what I've heard, PE is one of the subjects where getting a post is very competitive. Even if you had, say, relevant coaching qualifications, a school might be more inclined to employ someone whose whole training has been focussed on PE and adolescents.

    Is it worth investigating the sports partnerships, which work with primaries and secondaries? There might be a role for you there.
  3. minnie me

    minnie me Star commenter

    I don't think that teaching PE in a Primary with due respect is any preparation for Secondary. Isn't it a bit like saying you reach 2 hours of French a week but think you would enjoy doing that across the age and ability range with demanding and challenging and often unmotivated teenagers ? You need to be skilled in a number of disciplines - theory and practice. Great that you have this interest and I hope you have options. Realistically a change of direction may not give you what you hope for and I think that PE for some settings sadly has ceased to be a priority.
  4. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter



    That's the main problem.

    I really feel that since there is no re-training available for you (at least not at state expense) you would find it impossible to get the required qualification to make you an acceptable candidate in competition with those who are qualified, trained and experienced in secondary P.E.

    Sorry to give you bad news, but it's best not to get your hopes up . . .

    Best wishes

  5. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    I never got fewer than 70 applicants for PE posts - all well-qualified, PE trained teachers. I wouldn't have given a second's thought to shortlisting a primary teacher who was not PE trained - why would I?
  6. pturne

    pturne New commenter

    Thank you for your responses, at least I know now that it's near on impossible unless I went back to school! Like 'Frustum' said, the enjoyment that I feel teaching Primary children (who are on the whole motivated and engaged all of the time) is unlikely to be the case with secondary pupils... I should know, I've got a 13 year old daughter! I'm surprised that you have so many applicants Middlemarch, the media paint such a negative picture of teacher recruitment in both Primary and Secondary schools!
  7. wanet

    wanet Star commenter

    PE is the exception. If you really want to teach in secondary then choose a less popular subject.
  8. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    Indeed - there are more PE teachers than you can shake a stick at...
  9. DYNAMO67

    DYNAMO67 Lead commenter

    You may like teaching it at primary, but at my school all pupils do pe theory as well. You have no knowledge of pe theory by all accounts....

    Give it up and focus on building a career in primary. You can always focus on pe in this environment.
  10. Landofla

    Landofla Established commenter

    I do hope you don't give up on your dream!

    I would look for a primary sch position with links with a nearby secondary sch. Then I'd look to see how I could get involved with their secondary pe dept and further develop the links... I'm thinking y6/7 transition through pe lessons at secondary sch? That's getting your foot in that sch's pe door, surely? May only be one door but it only takes walking through one door to enter your dream! (I'm being sickly sweet I know haha)
  11. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    I'm afraid you're missing the point - schools can have their pick of fully trained PE specialists who know and can teach the theory and practice of PE right up to A level.
  12. Landofla

    Landofla Established commenter

    No, I didn't miss any point, thank you. I am sure schs can take their pick of pe specialists... But I am also aware of many tchrs gaining employment through who rather than what they know.
    blueskydreaming likes this.
  13. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter



    That doesn't sound like Equal Opportunity employment procedures . . .

    Best wishes

  14. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    Only if they're better than the alternative - which, given that heads can choose from a massive pool of applicants with PE, is never going to be the case with this example.
    wanet likes this.
  15. Piranha

    Piranha Star commenter

    Interesting. I assume that you must have been involved in the interviews to be sure that they weren't picked because they did better than other candidates.
  16. purplecarrot

    purplecarrot Senior commenter

    I'm also aware of people getting the job based on who they know - but crucially, they were also very good at their job. Were they better than the other candidates, we'll never know but they were certainly very competent and a pleasure to work with. Though it was difficult for them to shake the reputation of getting the job because of friendships with SLT. I sometimes wonder if that's the reason they didn't last long. Despite being excellent at their jobs, there were too many people suggesting that foul play had happened.

    Back to OP. PE isn't a shortage subject and there's lots of great qualified specialists who'd probably get shortlisted before you. You could try coaching positions or free schools who can employ 'trainers' but I doubt they'd be on teacher terms and conditions.

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