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Prevent: This is getting stupid surely

Discussion in 'Personal' started by lanokia, Jan 10, 2020.

  1. hhhh

    hhhh Lead commenter

    If it's your father who dies alone because you ca't get to him due to groups illegally blocking the road, or if you've know people be delayed getting to hospital when they're losing their baby, or an old lady late to a hospital appointment for a scan (who later died) due to an anti-fracking group blocking the road, you might count it as serious. No, these things couldn't be called murder, nor will the people who stood in the road to protest against fracking think it's wrong that a little boy was in tears because his mother was late to collect him (the normal road she would have used was shut due to an RTA, and she was forced to deter down a road that should have got her to her child only ten minutes later, but due to protesters bringing the traffic to a standstill, she was half an hour late to pick up her child- a little boy who had just been diagnosed with a serious illness, and whose mother had not long been out of hospital-and he thought she'd died because she was so late, but the people blocking the road will simply say it's for his own good.
    Just as anti-abortionists will say they have the right to protest outside clinics, never caring about what they might be doing to someone's mental health-or physical, if the woman is too afraid to seek help for physical problems after an abortion.
    Is is terrorism? Many would say legally no, morally yes.
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  2. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    I don't recall either of those two gentlemen hosing down the front of the Treasury with fake blood from a non-MOTed fire engine.
  3. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    It has been admitted to have been a "mistake"
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  4. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    tbh i'm slightly disappointed in that.
    Professional satirists have been scribbling like the clappers on this one right through the night to meet their national deadlines, but now all we shall see in the "humour" section of the papers today are lukewarm plan B caricatures of Rhianna or something.
    ajrowing likes this.
  5. colacao17

    colacao17 Occasional commenter

    When it's your grandchildren, or someone else's, who die in water or land related conflicts, or from the effects of pollution, of raging fires, or too high temperatures in summer, or floods and storms, or any other effects of climate change, you might count it as serious.

    But don't worry, we'll be dead by then and can ignore the effects of our selfishness and complacency
  6. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Maybe they do have reason to believe there's an actual threat of this but, you know, they don't publish security services intelligence information for the potential attackers to read .... :rolleyes:
  7. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    They're always telling us the threat level of certain attacks is very high etc. Don't recall any about threats of attacks from people concerned about our response to climate change.

    It was a mind-numbingly stupid thing to say. No wonder they've apologised.
    ajrowing likes this.
  8. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    That's not exactly a terrorist threat.
  9. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    "Locked up"? For an opinion. Jesus Christ.
    There's a name for that. Not very nice name. There are people who do/have done that. Not very nice people.
    lexus300 likes this.
  10. NoseyMatronType

    NoseyMatronType Star commenter

    According to Sara Khan (The Battle for British Islam), referrals to Prevent are meant to be for things like parents showing their kids ISIS beheadings. It's really for the worst kinds of situation.

    Meanwhile, criticism of Prevent sometimes comes from those who would seek to further an Islamist agenda.

    Overall, having compared the description In Khan's book of what happens after a referral is made with James Fergusson's more critical discussion in Al Britannia: A Journey Through British Islam (he's not keen on the strategy) I have come down on the side of Khan.

    Obviously all this applies to exposure to far right material too.

    One issue I do have is with the assumption that teachers are in possession of the expertise to make the relevant judgement calls. For example, if a sixth-form student was suddenly to adopt a strict Salafi lifestyle along with the dress code, that would almost certainly not necessarily be a sign of radicalization or an indication that they have been forced to do so. So responses need to be more nuanced and teachers will not necessarily have acquired sufficient background knowledge even after they have had some kind of training. So it's yet another thing that they have been lumbered with.

    The sometimes valid reservations that have been expressed about ER in this thread in no way qualifies student members for a referral. To conflate what they get up to with the example described in my first sentence is a bit daft in my view.
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  11. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Bovine excretion.
  12. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    You have some evidence?
    artboyusa likes this.
  13. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    You seem to be conflating climate change with AGW., !!
  14. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

    Gandhi, eat your heart out.
  15. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Wasn't he vegetarian?
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  16. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter



    are the most visible evidence currently on offer.
  17. Morninglover

    Morninglover Lead commenter

    No real surprise:

    Extinction Rebellion could sue police over extremist ideology listing
    Group threatens action after being named in guide designed to help prevent terrorism


    "XR has instructed lawyers.

    Jules Carey, who acted for XR when it successfully struck down police protest bans in the courts last year, told the Guardian that the latest guidance was unlawful. “It is extraordinary that Counter Terrorism Policing South East have added Extinction Rebellion to the list of terrorist groups and extremist organisations that the Prevent strategy was set up to deal with.

    “The guidance issued by the CTPSE is clearly unlawful. It constitutes an unlawful interference with human rights including free speech, right to assemble and enjoyment of a private life.

    “The guidance is clearly designed to harm Extinction Rebellion and cast those who support the movement as domestic extremists. It is a glaring example of the sort of overzealous policing we have come to expect around protests. Being referred to Prevent could have long-lasting and life-changing consequences for a young school activist.”

    After inquiries by the Guardian police said they were recalling the guidance and that XR had been included in error in the guide, which was distributed to police, government and teachers in November 2019.

    Carey, of Bindmans solicitors, said: “It is not sufficient that CTPSE have sought to recall the guide from those that they shared it with. The advice in the guide … itself needs to be formally withdrawn and any decision taken to refer an activist of XR to Prevent needs to be urgently reversed.”
  18. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

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  19. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    I've always had my suspicions.;)
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  20. abwdSTEM

    abwdSTEM Occasional commenter

    Who can tell who is behind some of the masks some members of XR wear. :D

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