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Premium Resources

Discussion in 'Mathematics' started by Maths_Shed, Oct 10, 2015.

  1. Maths_Shed

    Maths_Shed Occasional commenter

    Has anyone had any success from premium uploads? I thought it worth questioning after seeing on another thread that Mr Barton has a premium resource of the week yet when I looked at the resource it has received far fewer views than would have imagined, are they simply looked over because there is a cost associated? I uploaded a few resources a while back, one of the free downloads has been downloaded over 2400 times, the premium upload has had 26 views and one purchase!

    Why do I think it is worth some reimbursement? It's a spreadsheet that took well over 100 hours to write and I'm fairly fluent in Excel, it randomly generates questions of almost every topic and every question can be switched on or off. I have other ideas I want to pursue but can't see an incentive. Here is a sampler
  2. Karvol

    Karvol Occasional commenter

    This took you over a 100 hours. As a teacher, you are looking at over 4000 pounds worth of time and effort going into it.

    Did you really expect to get that return?
  3. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Anyone uploading free resources here is working for TES, increasing their site traffic and making it a more appealing prospect to commercial advertisers. As for premium resources:

    1. Those who appreciate the value of these things are able to produce them so have no need to buy them.
    2. Those who are unable to produce them do not appreciate their value so feel no need to buy them.
    millergra likes this.
  4. Maths_Shed

    Maths_Shed Occasional commenter

    No I didn't expect that return, I do enjoy playing with Excel and this resource means I haven't had to prepare a starter for any lesson in the last year. The spreadsheet automatically generates starter questions tailored to each class I teach so despite a large amount of time developing the resource it has saved me a stack of time and effort in the long run. I simply wanted to raise enough funds to buy a macro lens for my camera!

    I do have an idea for a resource that would take longer to produce would have to be purely commercial as I now work supply and wouldn't have the opportunity to use it. Having seen a reluctance for uptake via TES I was wondering whether that was simply my perspective and others were seeing traffic.

    Vince, I agree on your general point regarding the resources but I both your specific points are not true as many people are illiterate when it comes to writing spreadsheets yet see their benefit when using them. I do have ex colleagues who use this every day yet couldn't start to write it.

    Having seen many commercially available products I pretty much stopped using them a long time ago and produced my own resources, they suit me better . There is an issue of funding in schools and it is only going to get worse, one way round it is for high quality, low cost resources to be made available via portals such as the premium resources and for departments to be purchasing them not leaving it to individuals.
  5. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    I like to see people giving things a good old British try but, while your business model sounds rational, a crowd isn't necessarily a market.
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2015
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  6. Maths_Shed

    Maths_Shed Occasional commenter

    Absolutely but if I could find a way to buy more toys that would suit me fine.
  7. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

    Unfortunately, Karvol is right. I make sales of all three of my maths books every month, but it will be a long time before I will recoup the hours put in writing them, if they had been spent tutoring.

    Also, teachers are some of the worst pirates. If memory serves me right, a pirated version of the 10 ticks material (with a school's name still on it) was being very widely circulated a few years ago. If it's a program or PDF that's not copy protected it will be copied and distributed mercilessly. If it's hard-copy then the spine of the book will soon be wrecked by teachers photocopying the hell out of it.
  8. Maths_Shed

    Maths_Shed Occasional commenter

    Indeed, I worked in a school recently where the pupils have ipads, one text book and they photograph the page in the book that they are to work from.
  9. Karvol

    Karvol Occasional commenter

    It takes about 3 minutes to find and upload to a website that will crack any pdf copy protection.
  10. Owen134866

    Owen134866 New commenter

    I think there are probably a few reasons why the premium resources aren't being as successful as some might have hoped:

    1) In my opinion, the name 'premium' is incorrectly used here, as there the implication that a premium resource is of a higher quality. While this is sometimes the case, a lot of premium resources I have had a look at don't seem much better than the free things already out there (there is an awful lot of very good free stuff that has been uploaded and established over the years). My understanding when the 'premium' resources were being introduced, was that a user could upload a resource as 'premium', which would then be checked by the TES to see if it was of a high quality, and if so, it would be given the stamp of approval, so to speak. This hasn't happened and it seems anything can be uploaded and charged for - as such, there is no guarantee of quality.

    2) As teachers we are often guilty of paying for things that we should probably be getting our companies to pay for ourselves. I think teachers are (rightly) less willing to do that given current circumstances, and when offered free resources alongside paid ones (with no guarantee of quality as in point 1), the free resources will be used first. If they suffice, the paid stuff won't get a look in.

    3) The previews of paid resources aren't very good, making it very hard to tell the quality. This is especially true if the resource is a powerpoint / slideshow and you only get to see a couple of random parts of it. (Maths_Shed - the example video is a good way to get around this :) )

    4) Lack of reviews. This is kind of self-fulfilling - if a 'premium' resource gets very few views, it will get even fewer reviews, and people who download from the TES site tend to review very sparingly. One of the most popular resources on here, Chris Smith's Maths Relay Races, has needed almost 500 views per review. The chance of a premium resource getting this is very low, and hence again, it is harder for users to guarantee quality.

    There are definitely going to be great premium resources around, but while they are swamped with stuff that is of a poorer quality and still being charged for, I can't see them being that successful.
  11. JaquesJaquesLiverot

    JaquesJaquesLiverot Established commenter

    I don't charge for any of my resources because I wouldn't dream of buying any - I suppose that makes me person 1 in Vince's post. When resources are sold, who actually pays? Has anyone submitted an invoice from TES Resources with their expenses claim?

    As the TES takes a 35% cut of what you get paid for your resources, they possibly gain more by you charging for them.

    I just uploaded a resource for the first time since they re-jigged the site, and was surprised to see that the default suggestion was to charge £5 for a "simple" resource, whereas the default option used to be to give it away.
  12. Hatchtag_Resources

    Hatchtag_Resources New commenter

    I was interested to read this thread as someone who has resources in the free and premium sections on TES. In my experience I would say that around 1 in every 100 resource views results in a purchase although obviously this can vary from resource to resource. I found that when TES featured some of my resources this had a big impact on traffic. The majority of my resources on TES are free and I hope that those who download them will benefit from using them. It is for others to decide if my premium resources are any better than my free resources but in the case of the latter I have spent considerably more time developing these (in some cases many tens of hours). I have a also used Teachit Maths which is a subscription based website. They give me a free subscription as a contributor and were able to offer a lot of constructive feedback about how to improve my resource - something that the TES I guess do not have the time to do.
  13. Maths_Shed

    Maths_Shed Occasional commenter

    I think Point 3 made by Owen is a very important one. If TES are using this to generate income then they really ought to be reviewing these and recommending more than one per month.

    I really do believe that high quality resources produced by ourselves can help departments especially at a time when more and more non maths specialists are being asked to teach maths. Surely the best way of raising the quality of the resources is to reimburse the producer and it should be departments not individuals doing this.

    The way all resources are stored on TES is poor with the top of the pile simply being the last uploaded.

    Any thoughts from TES on the issues raised?
  14. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    The direct income is insignificant. Resources drive traffic which drives advertising.
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  15. Owen134866

    Owen134866 New commenter

    It is possible to change the search to 'relevance' by clicking the filter at the top. However, I assumed this would put the ones with the highest average review/most reviews at the top. Seems a bit random though - am not sure exactly what criteria it is looking for...
  16. hfkennedy

    hfkennedy New commenter

    Really interested to know what resources you have on Teachit Maths...
  17. Hatchtag_Resources

    Hatchtag_Resources New commenter

    Hello hfkennedy. Only one resource at the moment called K3 complete question bank (I have a similarly named resource on TES). The one issue I had with Teachit Maths was that it was difficult to update the resource, which I am inclined to do on a fairly regular basis, they have a review procedure and do not seem keen on their contributors providing updates.
  18. goforgoldlearning

    goforgoldlearning New commenter

    Hi there...at the risk of sounding daft and not having enough time to research....can someone actually define for me what a 'Premium Resource' is. Thanks.
  19. adamcreen

    adamcreen Occasional commenter

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  20. Bloomstar

    Bloomstar New commenter

    I really want to share resources freely as I believe education should be free and I want to contribute to it improving... but I also want to have a successful life personally. There's also the piracy issue.

    Perhaps getting paid for resources via advertising (eg Google/YouTube/Facebook revenue models) would work better than selling each resource?

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