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Pre-application visits

Discussion in 'Senior Leadership Team' started by johnblack, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. johnblack

    johnblack New commenter

    I've begun applying for AHT jobs. I think its the done thing to visit a school (sure I read that on this forum). I have few questions regarding this.
    1) Can I just inform my school that I will need time of to visit. I currenlty have outline 8 jobs I could apply for so wont this begin to take the micheal a little.
    2) Can a phone call substitue. I'm not restricing my future schools location so if a school is far away from my current location would you still expect me to visit?
    3) If I phone rather than visit would that decrease your opinion of an applicant
    4) If one makes a phone call should they mercilessly sell them selves as the best person for the job or should they ask the questions they need answering and leave the self promotion for covering letters and personal statements.
    Yes my grammar is better on my application, its the interweb in'it!
     
  2. Currently, I'm looking to apply for jobs in my area for Assistant Headteacher.
    I would always visit the school when apply for a job like this, it makes it so much easier to speak to the Head face to face!
     
  3. johnblack

    johnblack New commenter

    Yeah i think its a good way to sell yourself but how is your head about giving you the time?
     
  4. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    A visit after school is better than a phonecall. You can meet the head, tell a lot from the clasrooms and the way the staff greet you etc.
     
  5. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    1. You cannot just 'inform' your school that you will need time off to visit - you must ask your head's permission directly. Whilst your school may well have a policy allowing staff to attend interviews (and bear in mind this will not be an endless entitlement - if you get invited to any or all of the 8 and are not successful early, your head might start objecting - and s/he can), they may not have a policy of allowing time off in the school day simply to visit. As curlygirly says, you're probably better to do this after school.
    4. No, don't make the mistake of trying to 'sell' yourself on the phone or in person. That's for when you're interivewed and even then, be very careful not to talk yourself out of the job. If someone rang me about a job they were thinking of applying for and started 'selling', they'd probably be the first application binned.
     
  6. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    No, I don't think that was quite what she said. Middlemarch said:
    Basically, don't be a Big-Headed Know-All who has, single-handedly pulled your current school out of Special Measures, solved World Poverty and banished the Credit Crunch.
    Make sure that there is as much "we" as "I" in your talk. You rarely do things all on your own, and it's good to see candidates acknowledge this.
    Best wishes
    ____________________________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    The TES Careers Advice service runs seminars and workshops, one-to-one careers and applications advice, one-to-one interview coaching and an application review service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Workshops. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews.
    The next Workshops I'm doing that still have vacancies are on Sunday 13th and Friday 25th February. There is also a specialist Workshop for applications to SLT on Saturday February 19th.
    Go to https://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storyCode=6060678 for more details of these and other seminars.
    Look forward to seeing you!
     
  7. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    There is a comma missing from the above.
    Sorry. [​IMG]
    ____________________________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    The TES Careers Advice service runs seminars and workshops, one-to-one careers and applications advice, one-to-one interview coaching and an application review service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Workshops. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews.
    The next Workshops I'm doing that still have vacancies are on Sunday 13th and Friday 25th February. There is also a specialist Workshop for applications to SLT on Saturday February 19th.
    Go to https://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storyCode=6060678 for more details of these and other seminars.
    Look forward to seeing you!
     
  8. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    Hi John,
    What Theogriff said!

     
  9. johnblack

    johnblack New commenter

    Wow so not I put we! That really worries me thank God i've only applied for one Job. In private sector employment I was always encouraged to relflect upon what I did as to demonstrate it was actually I who did it. The thinking being that you could be incompetent and part of a successful team, and attempt to show others success as your own. The two people i had review my personal statement are friends and damily in the private sector so I could definately be a little more we
    Thanks Theogriff and Middlemarch.
    P.S. Okay I will rewirte my my standard mail merge cover letter now [​IMG]
     
  10. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Don't you dare have a standard mailmerge cover letter even as a joke![​IMG]
    ____________________________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    The TES Careers Advice service runs seminars and workshops, one-to-one careers and applications advice, one-to-one interview coaching and an application review service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Workshops. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews.
    The next Workshops I'm doing that still have vacancies are on Sunday 13th and Friday 25th February. There is also a specialist Workshop for applications to SLT on Saturday February 19th.
    Go to https://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storyCode=6060678 for more details of these and other seminars.
    Look forward to seeing you!
     
  11. johnblack

    johnblack New commenter

    Thanks for all you help, I have an interveiw today. Was first reserve so only found out at 12 yesterday when some one else dropped out. Will chage the way I've done things and hopefully make the first cut next time.
     
  12. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Well done! Let us know.
    Perhaps you got it - won't you feel great, as the First Reserve comes steaming up to the winning post!
    And if you didn't, well done for getting that far - not bad going for the first attempt. How about coming to see me on Feb 19 . . .[​IMG]
    Seminar 19th February 2011 - Planning to move into Headship or a Senior Leadership Team?
    ___________________________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    The TES Careers Advice service runs seminars and workshops, one-to-one careers and applications advice, one-to-one interview coaching and an application review service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Workshops. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews.
    The next Workshops I'm doing that still have vacancies are on Sunday 13th and Friday 25th February. There is also a specialist Workshop for applications to SLT on Saturday February 19th.
    Go to https://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storyCode=6060678 for more details of these and other seminars.
    Look forward to seeing you!
     

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