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PPA Time Clarification

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by Colcol40, Jun 10, 2019.

  1. Dorsetdreams

    Dorsetdreams Occasional commenter

    I did exams and ran the network (including running the cables and assembling the PCs).
    TBH, I wouldn't want to go back to all that.
     
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  2. Dorsetdreams

    Dorsetdreams Occasional commenter

    ...and the Head of Geography also did cover and ran the site. But he did have a 'care taker' to help with the latter.
     
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  3. Dorsetdreams

    Dorsetdreams Occasional commenter

    ...no PPA back then.
    But lots of goodwill. I think the school ran on it.
    Oh, and just a mild interest in results. Certainly no Performance Management.
     
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  4. Dorsetdreams

    Dorsetdreams Occasional commenter

    Thinking about it, did PM, self-harming and WRS all start at about the same time?
     
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  5. averagedan

    averagedan Established commenter

    He tripped up here - this guy is a troll.

    Anybody who thinks paying teachers £30 an hour or so for M6/UPS1 is saving money compared to a minimum wage teacher is pretty bad at maths. Either that or they were paying the cleaners over double the minimum wage.....

    If you're gonna troll it's got to be believable.
     
  6. CalF123

    CalF123 New commenter

    What teachers get paid per hour doesn’t come into it. Our teachers receive a yearly salary. Any ancillary activities will be carried out during their directed time. Whether that directed time is spent teaching lessons or preparing meals doesn’t change that salary.
     
  7. averagedan

    averagedan Established commenter

    That's not even close to being true. A lawyer would drive a coach and horses through that, directed time can only include reasonable instruction for that job. Cleaning would not be a reasonable instruction for someone employed as a Teacher. They would be allowed to supervise children doing it, that would be similar to supervision at lunch, etc. but taking on a job role normally performed by another member of staff is rather different.

    Nice try at a recovery.....
     
  8. CarrieV

    CarrieV Lead commenter

    Hang on a minute! So you're using your teacher's directed time to wash dishes rather than teach children. Doesn't that rather go against your "pupil first" mantra?
     
  9. averagedan

    averagedan Established commenter

    Oh God I just noticed the prepping meals bit.... That's a classic... Again you can get teachers to serve them but not to prep them without proper training. So you're going to spend the school's money training teachers to cook to the standard required by the various agencies which costs a significant sum of money and takes months to complete the courses.... Instead of just employing people who already have the skills and qualifications, how does that use the school's money effectively?

    Cal - you're slipping up all over the place here.
     
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  10. CalF123

    CalF123 New commenter

    All meals are now made at a central production kitchen off site and simply require to be heated up by the teaching staff. We do still employ one qualified cook to take care of the items that require more on-site preparation such as burgers.
     
  11. meggyd

    meggyd Star commenter

     
  12. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Just in case you are wondering @CalF123 nobody here believes you any longer.

    Clip clop, clip clop.

    But do keep going if it amuses you. Nothing like a bit of light relief from the real world :D
     
  13. averagedan

    averagedan Established commenter

    Well that's a load of nonsense. You need someone qualified in food hygiene at all times when food is served. What are you going to do when that ONE QUALIFIED PERSON is off-sick, needs compassionate leave, etc. just stop feeding children for the day?

    You would still have to train your staff in food prep, etc. and pay them to train plus pay for the courses. McDonald's has pre-cooked food and their staff still need to complete their FH certifications, so this wouldn't save you money on training and still counts as cooking food which is outside of the expected job description for a teacher so you couldn't class it as directed time. And how does having teachers leaving their classes while their teaching to perform temperature checks and the like devote resources to the children? Who's performing due diligence? Your one trained person can't do it, she's too busy cooking specialist food like burgers. Which by the way need less care and attention than most food prep....

    You're making my husband, brother and I chuckle. My brother is a head chef btw, he's the guy I'm asking for info about this......
     
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  14. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Surely, if you appointed a couple of midday staff, you could make a teacher redundant. Then you'd have midday staff doing the job they applied for and are trained to do, and you'd have teachers teaching.
    As teachers can be directed for 1265 hours, it surely makes most sense for them to be directed to do teaching related tasks in that time? Then you could have hourly paid cleaners, etc for all the other jobs.
     
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  15. CarrieV

    CarrieV Lead commenter

    For heaven's sake caterpillar, stop being so logical! Calf has a VISION!
     
  16. Lalad

    Lalad Star commenter

    I'm surprised you don't expect the kids to teach themselves!
     
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  17. meggyd

    meggyd Star commenter

    I expect the kids do teach each other.
     
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  18. CarrieV

    CarrieV Lead commenter

    They're probably more qualified than the staff-none of whom are apparently actually trained teachers!
     
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  19. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    A slightly drug addled one?!
     
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  20. CarrieV

    CarrieV Lead commenter

    you might.jpg
     

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