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PPA cover in Primary Schools - is it always music? Is this a good or bad thing?

Discussion in 'Music' started by busylittlebee, Feb 11, 2007.

  1. I am writing my 1st MA essay on the changing delivery of National Curriculum music at KS2, as it was initially recommended that all teachers should teach it, given enough support from a "consultant" specialist.
    Now, PPA cover means something has to be taught by someone other than the class teacher - and it always seems to be music... Is that the case for you and does it work?
  2. I am writing my 1st MA essay on the changing delivery of National Curriculum music at KS2, as it was initially recommended that all teachers should teach it, given enough support from a "consultant" specialist.
    Now, PPA cover means something has to be taught by someone other than the class teacher - and it always seems to be music... Is that the case for you and does it work?
  3. JenniferP

    JenniferP New commenter

    I work in a primary school teaching music and covering PPA time and from my point of view it works brilliantly!
    I'm really not interested in teaching the rest of the curriculum but love teaching music. However, I prefer teaching primary to secondary (having done both)!
    It means the children get an advantage from PPA time too in that they are getting specialist music tuition and specialist PE tuition from two dedicated teachers. The other staff are all relieved that someone else takes care of end of year performances and so on. I really can't see many disadvantages to it!
  4. Same here,I cover PPA in recp just for Music I think it gives the children a chance to enjoy a music lesson without ir being rushed I have 3 groups of 16 (max) we enjoy listening, singing, playing games doing investigations its brilliant and finally chance to get some evidence for our subject co-ordinator.
  5. In our area the music service can provide a teacher to provide PPA cover, this can be paid for from each schools music service allowance of hours I think. This is not the same as wider opps time which is shared and for which the class teacher must be present. This should be a good system where it works well, because the children are getting a trained musician, ewhich not all class teachers can claim to be!
  6. bod99

    bod99 New commenter

    I do PPA in 3 schools for music. Works brilliantly for me but can mean that the class teacher loses touch with what they're doing and how they're getting on, despite my best efforts to keep them informed. I think it's generally a plus (specialist teacher etc) but there are definite downs too. The other downside for me is teaching nothing but high demand music lessons which can wear me out. There's very little rest time in a music lesson!
  7. Hi there

    I wonder if you could tell me how you got into doing PPA cover in primary schools teaching music. I currently teach music in secondary schools but want to do something different. Does it matter if you haven't trained in primary?

  8. Sorry to pop the happy bubble. I am a music specialist and primary teacher who had my music taken from me for PPA purposes. Ks1 was taught by a TA who is a musician but not teacher and ks2 was taught by the SENCO who was full time as a specialist sen teacher til numbers dropped. She was musical. I got really angry for many reasons. Maybe i would have been less bothered if it was given to me, the specialist,the subject leader with the music degree but it wasn't. I also feel it de skills teachers always having the same subjects on PPA. If on the other hand we went down the secondary/middle school or American route the specialists would teach art and PE too but I still had to teach those. I do believe that there is an element of specialism required to teach music and that many children leave primary having not really done enough to be at the required level for secondary but the problem lies with teacher training and the lack of time spent on music. I did a 4 year qts degree with music and alongside my regular classroom music I received other subject lessons however those bit doing a music course were only really given a few hours over the 4 years on music and pgce students get less. They can't be expected te go on to teach music without as much training as other subjects. To answer the other question the only way to get into it is to keep an eye out for primary jobs, often part time as PPA teachers either advertised as music or asking for subjects to be stated. I have been out if teaching a few years training primary teachers to sing with their kids across the day and after being made redundant I can't get a job even as PPA cover but depends on your region.
  9. I am a music teacher who has taught music as PPA in recent times, thank goodness not now. It is not a good thing, being classed as a 'PPA subject'. I hated it. Music should be for music's sake, not a baby sitting service.

    To be honest, PPA should be scrapped full stop. I don't know any child who enjoys PPA away from their normal teacher, especially if they have a rotation of subjects in one half day session. It's too much for them, especially very little ones. I hate PPA with a vengence. If they get rid of it, which can now be done, it'll be not soon enough. Bring back 'non-contact time', from time to time, if necessary, but regular PPA good riddance! And here is to proper music lessons for music's (and the children's) sake!

    Ooh, I'm on one tonight...
  10. I have also taught music as a class teacher music co-ordinator, and more recently as a specialist music teacher. I think it doesn't matter whether it is class teachers or a music specialist who teaches music, as long as everyone is comfortable and able to do so well. If not, a specialist is better for the children's music learning.
  11. rooney1

    rooney1 Occasional commenter

    If we lost PPA there is no way I could run the six, weekly, extra- curricular groups that I do - or organize two big concerts and one play every year - or organize the peripatetic teachers - or enter groups for music festivals.
  12. bod99

    bod99 New commenter

    I'm greeted with cheers by the children when they see it's PPA music time. Perhaps you need to pep up your music teaching.
    It's NOT a babysitting service, but does mean that these children get quality music teaching which should be their right. It doesn't suit all schools, but works well in the 6 I teach in! Sorry you've had such a bad experience, but perhaps you shouldn't be blaming PPA.

  13. Well, OK, yes... they do enjoy music! (Most seem to anyhow.) But they do not enjoy the hustle and bustle of the general scrum and change around of subjects in one session. Especially little ones. They often get very tired indeed. I just wish that my subject was taught outside the PPA roundabout.
  14. bod99

    bod99 New commenter

    You're lucky to get PPA music cover work nowadays with so many schools using high level TAs instead (which I'm sure is VERY suspect). I'm glad your pupils enjoy music, and I do understand what you mean about the hustle of the roundabout type of morning/afternoon. Some children relish the chance to get a different teacher, perhaps often the ones who are a handful and need a chance to "start afresh" in each lesson. A short quality music lesson is surely better than nothing at all, and it often means you get to teach all the year groups allowing for better progression and monitoring.

  15. stupot101

    stupot101 Established commenter

    How urgent is the information. I would rather PM you with my Email and further information than post online..
  16. So I have just been offered PPA cover in a school til Xmas and possibly til summer. Subjects, PE and PHSE. I hate PE but can't turn work down and surely the pastoral element of PHSE should be taught by the class teacher. I mentioned I was a music specialist if any teachers wanted to swap and the staff doing KS1 PPA who are actually HLTAs jumped at the chance so a Friday is 3 KS1 classes for music on a carousel but she said after their LEA inspection in a couple of weeks the music just needs to Xmas font practice. Hmmm, they miss the point ofusoc lessons. I am then left with KS2 PE/PHSE/topic/French. Could be an interesting term.

    I agree about little ones getting unsettled. I left a job as a kS1 teacher years ago after issues with the school who insisted on 2 mixed Y1/2 classes who the split to separate Y1/2 for literacy and numeracy then mixed in the afternoon. I had my mixed class for registration, year 2 for literacy, year 1 for maths then mixed class in the afternoon except my management afternoon where they had someone else. No wonder there were behavior issues as the poor kids, fresh out of play lead learning were being forced into secondary style learning and couldn't cope.

    I'm not sure there is anyway out of it. My other old school had me leading singing with ks2 each week while all other 10 teachers had a further half our non contact time and I had to fight for the deputy to come and read my class a story once a week just to get the time back! Music will always be the lesson handed over given the opportunity even though I am expected to teach science/art/dt/PE etc which I am less confident in. I do it because primary teachers teach everything!
  17. I cover PPA time by teaching music in four different schools. I have separate contracts with each school and end up with a 0.9 teaching timetable. I love it, but it's physically very tiring and gets manic around Christmas and the end of the summer term with shows and concerts. I am also subject leader for music in all the schools and organise the peri staff etc.
    I don't find that I'm a babysitting service. The children enjoy the sessions and I expect the same standards of behaviour and work that the class teachers do, even if I have to work a bit harder to achieve this! I think music is a really hard subject for non-specialists to teach and it often gets missed off the timetable if teachers would rather avoid it.
    I was a primary class teacher for 7 years before specialising in music, then worked for a music service for 10 years before going it alone.
    I do worry a bit about getting isolated and wouldn't want to get too set in my ways with rolling out the same planning etc. every year. I've got a few friends who do the same as me and we share resources and ideas every now and then.

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