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Potential Long term sick

Discussion in 'Pay and conditions' started by missrieen, May 3, 2019.

  1. missrieen

    missrieen New commenter

    Hi everyone,

    I’ve been diagnosed with cancer. I’m awaiting a treatment plan, but potentially this means I may go on long term sick. I’ll get the six months full pay and six months half pay, but I’m confused as to how it’s worked out with holidays etc?

    I took this week off to get my head around it, but thinking of going back next week because We can’t afford to be in trouble financially.
  2. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    I'm sorry to hear that, do take care of yourself. Don't go back if your doctor has signed you off. Follow your specialist's advice.

    If you are on standard Burgundy Book sick pay then this explanation on the NEU site answers your question.


    The formal entitlement from your 4th year there is 100 working/school days at full + 100 working/school days at half pay. As NEU explain that is equivalent to 6 calendar months at full + 6 months calendar months at half pay, including holidays. That's calendar months irrespective of whether it's term time or holiday time.

    Speak to your union regional office if you need more information.
    strawbs likes this.
  3. missrieen

    missrieen New commenter

    Thanks so much for your reply.

    I’ve not been signed off, my doctor said it’s up to me - but to keep in mind how mentally and physically demanding teaching is. I took this week off, but am considering going back next week because I’m just sitting around waiting. But I don’t want to be too disruptive for school if I then go off again.

    Thanks - I had looked at that but missed the explanation about holidays etc.

    I’ve tried calling the union but I am always on hold for 20+ mins so I’ve not actually got through to anyone. I will try and locate a regional number.
  4. Piranha

    Piranha Star commenter

    I am not convinced that this is correct - the NEU correctly uses the word "roughly". According to the Burgundy Book, it is 100 working days, which excludes holidays. If your 100 days runs out just after the start of the summer holiday, then you would be entitled to the whole of the holiday at full pay. If it ran out just before the start of the holiday, that could amount to up to six weeks less at full pay.

    I don't understand this, For anything other than a short period of absence, don't you need to be signed off? According to the Burgundy Book,

    A teacher shall not be entitled to sick pay unless:
    (i) notification is made to the employer as may be required, not later than the fourth working day of absence;
    (ii) a doctor’s statement is supplied not later than the eighth day of absence;

    Your doctor should be advising you as to whether you are fit enough to work. If it is not going to affect your health, it seems advisable for you to return to work, partly because you don't want to just it around waiting and partly because it cuts down on your sick days off. I really would not worry about the disruption caused by you being off again - that is the school's problem, not yours. Do what is right for you.
  5. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    You are right as always Piranha but I was only summarising as I'd given the OP the link to read the NEU detailed guidance in full which does make clear that the actual calendar months encompassed by 100 + !00 working days is "subject to the variations caused by any periods of school closure".
  6. Piranha

    Piranha Star commenter

    Sorry, @ Rott Weiler, I thought you meant exactly six months whether it was term time or holiday. This is a common misconception which can make a big difference if the summer holidays start close to the 100 days (or whatever applies for that teacher). But I should have known that you would know!:)
  7. littledragon25

    littledragon25 New commenter

    I have just been in this very situation myself, having been off for over 10 months for cancer treatment.

    I was paid 100 days at full pay (working days, so weekends and holidays not counted). After this it became 100 days at half pay, but for this holidays were counted (not weekends). I went off sick before the summer holidays, so I got that 6 weeks at full pay without them being counted towards my 100 days, which was helpful.

    I hope your health improves. Good luck with treatment.
  8. Piranha

    Piranha Star commenter

    AM I right in thinking that holidays were counted as part of the 100 days at half pay? If Burgundy Book applies, this is wrong.

    The rate of sick pay applicable to a teacher in respect of sickness during the closure of a school is the rate applicable to him/her on the last day before the closure. Where a teacher, therefore, is ill immediately preceding a closure period and:

    he/she is on full sick pay - he/she shall continue on full sick pay, but the closure period is not counted against his/her entitlement under 2.1 above;

    he/she is on half sick pay - he/she shall continue on half sick pay, but the closure period is not counted against his/her entitlement
  9. littledragon25

    littledragon25 New commenter

    You are correct Piranha. It turned out to be erroneous information from a member of payroll, and I was actually compensated at the half pay for 100 working days, not including holidays or weekends, which came as a nice surprise on pay day when I was expecting very little but got a half salary instead.
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