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Discussion in 'Further Education' started by TCSC47, Dec 30, 2010.

  1. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    Having done my PGCE in 1985, I'm not sure how much things have changed. What does the term "post compulsory" refer to?
    Whatever, - I found my PGCE to be of great value to me, allowing me to teach in both secondary and FE, and I have never regretted taking it.
    If you detail some of the criticisms you have heard, I might be able to comment on them.
    By "IOE", I presume you mean "Institue of Education". University of London? Going to as good as anybody, surely?
    Once you are in education, it is your personal skills that really count, not any of the courses you have been on. PGCEs and similar, are essential, but you will still be learning "on the job" for the next umpteen tears, if not you whole career! (Freudian key slip here, but so apt I thought I'd leave it in!!!! It is a tough job.)
    I would think, most teaching courses are all much of a muchness anyway. As you will find out when you get a teaching job, there are very strict quality controls governing education and these will have been applied to your PGCE course.
    Good luck with your future career. Teaching has to be one of the most important jobs to do.
  2. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    LOL! I've just seen another string in this forum from which I conclude that "post compulsory" refers to "post compulsory education", which I presume means FE. When did that change in title come about! Missed me by!
    My only concern would be to go for a teaching qualification that allowed you to teach in both secondary and FE, ie. yr 7 and upwards. This would keep your options, very much, more open, particularly with the current state of FE employment.
  3. I did the exact same thing, completed my BSc in Psychology, went on to complete a PGCE in post compulsory education and am now teaching A-Level at a brilliant college and am really really enjoying it.

    I had a lot of negativity around completing my course when I first said I would "only" be qualified to teach in the post compulsory sector (especially from my primary and secondary PGCE housemates!) , but there was not a cat in hells chance I wanted to teach 11-16 year olds, and I'm not cut out for primary teaching so they were off the cards. Also, with psychology being a mostly post 16 subject, the post compulsory PGCE was perfect.

    My PCET PGCE was difficult, I cant deny that, I was in a very rough inner city college with some 'characters' to say the least, and had to be talked out of quitting a few times during the year, but I had great support from my mentors and the other teachers in the department and was genuinely upset when I left them to start my new career down south.

    My only advice to you would be to get in as many teaching hours as is physically possibly ( it is very difficult as Psychology trainees receive NO bursaries or funding for their training so I held down two part time jobs whilst training) but it has really prepared me for my first 'proper' year in teaching. I hated it at the time, but being drafted in to teach 26 hours a week (unpaid) as a PGCE student was a blessing in disguise and I feel I was more prepared for the real world than some of my colleagues who were only teaching for 6-8hrs a week.

    The icing on the cake was being told by one of the more 'disproving' of my PGCE friends over Christmas that they regretted completing their secondary PGCE specialising in sociology, and wished she had just done a post compulsory course instead.

    I think the course you are hoping to do will set you in good stead to achieve what it is you are hoping to, and you won't regret your decision.

  4. Thanks for giving me the hope that not all colleges are horrible to work in, Steph! You have inspired me to continue my search!
  5. Hello

    It must be nearly two years since I completed PCET qualification. It was very hard work, hindered by the fact that I had to find every single placemen myself.The placement officer couldn't be **** - she left soon afterwards.
    I didn't get any support whatsoever! I had to hit the ground running - just got on with it. Nothing has changed apart from the fact I am expensive, so FE or cowboy providers don't want to pay full rate.They want to employ people who don't know any different.People who are willing to accept low wages because that's all they know
    I think you'll find that PCET is less well regarded than QTS. I now find the whole thing frustrating, gave up a secure job - made the worst mistake of my life![​IMG]
  6. Aww you people are lovely :):) I am soo motivated. I really always have wanted to be an alevel teacher! I want to make a difference in the lives of many... i know it all sounds a bit like yeh heard it all before but i really do! I have been told my the students i tutor that they enjoy subjects like research methods which they hated because of the way i teach it to them. I know i can do it ... thank u so much all of u.. i mean at the end of the day what career doesnt have its cons! sorry about my english :/
  7. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    You are bound to be worried and fretting about what you are about to do, minal88, but, as you say, every direction you could go in has its problems.
    Be careful when browsing this forum because it is where teachers come to let off steam about their problems and end up painting a somewhat dire picture of our business. There are also a few windup merchants who say the most disgraceful things considering that they have been deemed good enough to be entrusted with the great privilege of bringing the next generation into the adult world. I don't know what to make of some of these characters. But I am wandering off the point and I would not criticize the FE section of the forum of this too much, anyway. I quickly add that I don't consider ps09lh to be one of these trolls. S/he certainly describes a lot of the problems I have seen in the business.
    I would just say that when you enter teaching you will find a lot of things outside your control and this can be very stressful. I am retired now but I remember the concerted effort I had to make, to deal only with the things that were within my control and simply ignore or put up with the things that were out of it.
    With regard to my suggestion of looking for a PGCE that fitted one for both secondary and tertiary, I suggested this to widen your employment area. My college has made about 20% of its staff redundant in the past two years.
    I still much preferred teaching FE to secondary. I got very tired of having to deal with kids suffering from pubescence and all the baggage that entails!! (Said with a lol.) My PGCE main subject was physics and I did two subsid subjects, general science, and education 16 to 19 yrs. After 20 yrs of secondary, including 6th form I waved the "education 16 to 19 yrs" about to apply for my FE job. I don't think it was the deciding factor though, because I also had some electrician qualifications which were relevant for the job.
    I must say that I am of the opinion that any PGCE could be aimed at both secondary and tertiary because there are so many things in common, but as I said before, I am not up to date about current PGCEs.
    With reference to the fact that FE gets the students that 6th form colleges don't want, this is undoubtedly true in some cases, but this was not a problem to me. Many of my students were disaffected from school, and turned up in my FE classroom with a bit of an attitude. However, all the better when at the end of the year we could both look back and see how much we had accomplished and how far we had come! If I treated them as adults, they eventually started behaving as such. True!
    One bit of advice I would always give, is don't take your classroom problems and stresses home to dump on your partner / friends. Teaching is very stressful and it is all too easy to go on about your teaching problems ad infinitum, much to the determent of your personal relationships!! Find ways to deal with this before you go home. Sadly you will still need to take prep work etc. home but leave your stresses at work! (I don't think I ever really manage to do this as well as I should have!)
    All the best.

  8. Thanks for the great advice... much appreciated :) !! I am preparing for my post compulsory interview at the IOE extremely nervous!!
  9. I'm a she and many thanks for the compliment! When I last checked, I definitely wasn't a troll! LOL!
  10. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    Your welcome. Cheers.
  11. I don't want to burst your bubble shell, but there is still a lot of babysitting in FE!
    'Haven't got a pen/pencil/paper...... he swore at me....she's got my mobile........shu'up....no you shu'up............. she's a sk*nk.....he said his mates are going to beat me up.....I'm not sitting next to *** he stinks (he does).....
    It is my misfortune that I am the most experienced at teaching level 1 students and nobody else will do it..... Love them really, but a lot of babysitting!
  12. ShellEvans

    ShellEvans New commenter

    Damn, I thought I had escaped, thank you for the warning.
    I will have to get used to it!
    At FE I am hoping that most of the students are there because they want to be, that's the reason I want to teach at this level, having worked in a school it's such a struggle sometimes because many students have no interest or desire for a subject and no amount of enthusiasm on my part can change that.
  13. It rather depends on the level you are teaching. level 3 students are generally there because they want to be and that does make it easier - not without its challenges though -and level 2 aren't too bad. level 1 however, are often there because they can't do anything else. They don't have the skills that make them employable, they have 'failed' at school and are often resentful of the education proces, they have unrealistic expectations of college life, their parents make them go and lastly, they get EMA which is more money than they are used to getting.
    As any FE lecturer can tell you, classes are often just about behaviour management and any learning that takes place is a bonus.
    I don't want to put you off shell, but I don't want you to go into FE thinking everything is rosy.

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