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Poll : How will you be affected.

Discussion in 'Tes Authors' Group' started by mathsmutt, Nov 3, 2018.

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How will you be affected ?

  1. Remain at Gold

    7 vote(s)
    10.8%
  2. Gold to Silver

    15 vote(s)
    23.1%
  3. Gold to Bronze

    13 vote(s)
    20.0%
  4. Silver to Gold

    1 vote(s)
    1.5%
  5. Remain at Silver

    6 vote(s)
    9.2%
  6. Silver to Bronze

    16 vote(s)
    24.6%
  7. Remain Bronze

    5 vote(s)
    7.7%
  8. Bronze to Silver

    2 vote(s)
    3.1%
  9. Bronze to Gold

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. mathsmutt

    mathsmutt Star commenter

    Just curious. I go from Gold to Bronze.
     
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  2. GalvaniseEDU

    GalvaniseEDU New commenter

    Gold to silver.

    Personally I think the £6000 threshold is far too high.
     
  3. labellaroma

    labellaroma Occasional commenter

    Gold to silver. Outrageous that to get back to gold we have to sell £6,000 worth of resources. Shame on Tes for raising the bar so high that the majority will never reach gold status ever again. I feel so sorry for those of you that have plummeted down to bronze. :(
     
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  4. MosaiK

    MosaiK Occasional commenter

    Going from Gold to Bronze. The pride I have taken in my resources has taken a deep knock... It would be interesting to see some of those authors on here, who are going straight from Bronze to Silver or Gold. Not to judge successful authors, but out of interest and curiosity.
     
  5. Nik_Bernaz

    Nik_Bernaz New commenter

    Going from Bronze briefly into silver, and then back to Bronze, most probably forever.
    I am not too sure if I want to continue here, but what alternatives are there really?
     
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  6. a_teachers_idea

    a_teachers_idea New commenter

    From gold to bronze! I got rid of the gold button on my blog! Not going to waste my time on TES anymore since I have always made pittance in here.
     
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  7. nwilkin

    nwilkin Occasional commenter

    Silver to Gold. Mosaik, If you did want to look at my shop it is nwilkin.
     
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  8. labellaroma

    labellaroma Occasional commenter

    Clearly the results showing so far indicate that there are far more losers than winners in the new author tier system!! :(:(:(
     
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  9. mathsmutt

    mathsmutt Star commenter

    Thanks for participating.
    At this time of reading, exactly 30% of respondents have indicated that their royalty level will either remain unchanged or increase.
     
  10. vcurrie19

    vcurrie19 New commenter

    It'd be nice if the authors jumping from bronze to gold would contribute.... anyone...? Bueller...? :rolleyes:
     
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  11. nwilkin

    nwilkin Occasional commenter

    From what I understand from the ones I know, they are not spending any time watching the forums about this topic as they are happy with the changes which is why they are not contributing. It is mainly people who are unhappy that are contributing but that is by no means the majority of authors on TES. There are thousands of authors on TES and it is only 30 or so who are upset enough to contribute to the discussion making it look like they are in the majority when clearly the largest majority are just not contributing. It may be because they are not interested enough, they don't know about the changes, they don't think it will affect them enough to bother getting involved or they are happy with the changes. No way of knowing but it is safe to assume that the viewpoints of the few on this forum can not possibly be taken as an accurate cross section of the TES author population as it is only those who feel strongly enough about it who will contribute.
     
  12. blowswind

    blowswind Occasional commenter

    I'm looking forward to revisiting this in a year's time to see how the tunes change.

    Doubtless I'll be seeing great prosperity all round...
     
  13. MosaiK

    MosaiK Occasional commenter

    Surely it is never a bad thing to care enough to speak up and share one's opinion.
    As you say, some of those who don't respond, clearly don't care enough to participate in the discussion. Perhaps they have resigned themselves to the changes and don't believe that their voice will be heard...
    To my knowledge from what I have read, none of us contributors to this thread or related threads aim to 'make it look as if we are in the majority'... Indeed we have tried to encourage more authors to contribute, especially those who are going to benefit come Dec 1st. Furthermore nobody suggests that this thread has been visited by the majority of authors. @mathsmutt very clearly referred to 'respondents', not 'authors'!
    In order to have a sensible and worthwhile discussion on any forum, you need people on both sides of an argument to participate. This barely happened when TES first put the suggested changes up for discussion many months ago. It saddens me to see that the same has happened again now that the changes are clearly no longer up for discussion.
    Therefore it looked at the time and now again, as if those of us who contributed to the discussion and spoke out against drastic changes were in fact 'troublemakers' and/or 'moaners'.
    There is nothing stopping any authors, be it that they like or dislike the changes, to decide for themselves, whether they choose to share their opinion on here or not. There are always many different ways to interpret what is happening, those ways being guided by one's point of view.
    Indeed as you say, only about 30 different authors who are against the changes have so far contributed to the discussion... on the other hand only about 2 of those who agree with the changes have contributed. Surely these proportions could equally lead to interpretations, assumptions, opinions etc...
     
  14. nwilkin

    nwilkin Occasional commenter

    I don't think you can make any assumption on such a low number of responses. Only a very few TES authors have responded and there is no way that you could assume that the figures reflect a true cross section of all the thousands of authors.

    Years ago, I worked on an IT help desk and we never got anybody ringing up saying, "Thanks, the system is working perfectly" it would only be when somebody had a problem they rang up. It feels like that here, it is mainly those who are not happy that are speaking up but you can not therefore assume that it is the same proportion for those who are not speaking up. .

    It is a shame, I agree, that more balanced view is not being heard but I totally understand why those who are not adversely effected are unwilling to take time to justify why they are not incensed by a situation that is not effecting them or is actually rewarding them for making resources that sell well.

    I have seen lots of comments making false claims, for instance "I need to sell 834 £3 resources to make £1000". This is clearly not true as has been said time and time again it is the total sales so it is only necessary to sell 334 £3 resources which is obviously a very different figure. There has been much misinformation that it is only serving to get people annoyed making the discussion unpalatable and tiresome.

    I have attempted to put forward an alternative viewpoint and know I am one of only a couple who have put our heads above the parapet only to be criticised for doing so.

    I do understand that people are upset but I really believe that the changes TES are making are for the good of the majority and I wish you all the best with your en devours, whatever you decide.
     
  15. MosaiK

    MosaiK Occasional commenter

    Well there you go. We now both agree that 30 people showing their dismay about the changes do not represent the whole number of people dismayed. As I tried to hint at in my previous contribution, the interpretation of how many people disagree and/or agree cannot be judged by how many people partake in this discussion, not least because people on either side of an argument will always see things from a different point of view. Numbers will always be open to different interpretations and assumptions depending on the point a person is trying to get across. That is in the very nature of opinions and free discussions - just think politics and currently the big B... Your comparison with an IT-help desk is very good and reflects what is going on here. That is why it is not possible to have a sensible worthwhile discussion on this or related threads.
    As for the question about sales and income, that was put right in the other thread at the time and was clearly based on an oversight rather than on a deliberate attempt to get people annoyed.
    For me the main reason I disagree with the changes, is that while I am not in this to get rich, I did not sign up to see someone else (@tes) being more richly rewarded for my work than myself - that is what I perceive to be unfair! Yet, that is what will happen when I drop back to Bronze. TES's argument that in return I should produce larger, more detailed resources which can be sold at a higher price is a highly subjective point as it does not fit in with my writing at all, nor does it fit in with all of my subjects. For example, two of my main subjects are in MFL, which are mostly very well equipped with all-encompassing textbooks (to include SoW, lesson plans and most importantly audio-files), even though one of my languages is also on the decrease UK-wide. Therefore any attempt at 're-inventing the wheel' would be a complete waste of my time. In all the schools I have taught at and/or visited in various positions, I have never come across an MFL teacher who spent their own or their department's (outside the regular textbooks and accessories) money on anything other than work sheets (mostly for cover work), small projects and/or games and related activities, even then most of the time they would go for free resources first. When I was teaching ICT at KS3 however, there were no textbooks, as the schools preferred the more practical approach. Had I had the money available at the time, I may have considered spending my department's money on such.
    You see, clearly our urges, aims and intentions on this platform are not the same, hence our different opinions.
    I too wish you all the best in your endeavours. :)
     
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  16. tb9605

    tb9605 Occasional commenter

    I've gone from Bronze to Silver - only just though, and so may slip back down. I think it may be because I mostly put up whole schemes of work selling at £5 or £6, rather than selling individual items at lower prices (indeed, individual items I tend to put up for free). I suppose I'm also lucky in the sense that I am an English teacher, and English teachers tend not to use textbooks (especially when teaching Literature) so there is perhaps more of a market for a complete scheme of work around a particular text. So, the new system benefits me - I only have about 14 items for sale.... but each item contains resources for at least 12 lessons (sometimes 20+). I was never going to reach Silver doing that under the old system.
     
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  17. MosaiK

    MosaiK Occasional commenter

    Thank you @tb9605 for contributing to this thread. :D I agree with what you are saying.
    My trouble is that all the schemes of work I ever wrote were specific to particular textbooks and/or to be used as part of my contract at a school at the time of writing. This means that I am not able to sell them in any way. Certainly the recent trust I worked for does not allow this. :rolleyes:
    As you also quite rightly point out, some subjects will have more use for 'free-standing', project-specific SoWs than others.
    Like others on this site, I am not in this to make lots of money, we just feel that it would be nice to be rewarded for the work we do in the same way as other authors who just happen to sell more for what ever reason. As has been said, sales are no proof for quality and this works both ways. ;)
    I also don't understand who or what determines the order in which resources feature in a keyword search. I guess this also affects sale numbers.
    Thank you again for your input. :)
     
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