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Poll: Armed police

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Vince_Ulam, May 20, 2018.

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Do you wish for each member of your local constabulary to routinely carry a gun?

  1. No

    90.3%
  2. Yes

    9.7%
  1. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    PETER HITCHENS: We need proper constables - not these swaggering gunmen

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    'The mere sight of an armed police officer in this country makes me instantly furious and miserable. Sometimes I just have to look away, while I collect myself. Then I hurry off, as fast as I can.

    This is instinctive and emotional. But it is not irrational. The reasons for it run deep. I was brought up in a country which was actively proud that its police were not armed.

    Now I am told that rural police are to be armed on the excuse that this will guard our shires against terrorism. It is a pretext. It just means that, like everywhere else, our police will routinely have firearms. This will be the end of Britain as it was.
    '
    DailyMail.co.uk, Getty Images 20th May 2018.
     
  2. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Unless there is real justification - then no.
     
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  3. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

  4. border_walker

    border_walker Lead commenter

  5. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    Policing by consent has always been the cornerstone of the relationship between police and public. Guns would change, guns would destroy that relationship. The contempt with which cops are regarded in America even by the law-abiding is proof enough of that.
     
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  6. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    I think all of us having had to deal with the vast amount of incompetent people in positions of authority within the public sector would be very uneasy at the thought of such people being given guns.

    Nowhere is this more apparent than when you see on US reality shows or news a proud copper saying how much he protected and served the public by shooting in the chest (not the leg) an unarmed drunk man who was using foul language towards him ( and who so, so easily could have been shot in the leg if need be).

    Worse, no one bats an eyelid and the copper gets an award.

    Think we are above this? It will be exactly the same here as standards are so low.
     
  7. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Properly tooled up coppers would be a step too far!

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  8. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    In terms of policing, @dumpty, America has challenges Britain does not.
     
  9. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    True.

    I just do not think you can train any man or woman to be trusted with a lethal weapon, not least when they also have the monopoly on use of violence.
    (And that yes we see examples of this on a daily basis in the USA)
     
  10. les25paul

    les25paul Star commenter

    Of course there is the need for some coppers in some situations to be constantly armed. Sometimes with the weapon in full view other times with it out of sight.

    But the best option to adopt would be to have a few armed Police as possible but sufficient to do the job. If every Police Officer was armed then it could start an "arms race" when more crooks would arm themselves for "protection". It would make your average bobby more of a target then they are already.
     
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  11. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    I presume you to mean that within the civilian context.

    It is right that the state should have the monopoly on violence but that monopoly should be exercised only in response to violence or its imminent threat.
     
  12. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    All my local officers carry unconcealed firearms.
     
  13. lapinrose

    lapinrose Star commenter

    I'm torn, I am sad that society is getting to the stage when we have to consider arming the police. It's such a bad reflection on Britain, however I do think there will come a time when we have to arm them, a sad statement.
     
    border_walker likes this.
  14. T34

    T34 Established commenter

    It's not that a sad society makes us consider arming the police - it's that considering arming the police makes us a sad society
     
  15. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    the troublein our cities should give us a clue as to why such things as arming every ploiceman is considered.The reality is there is not enough police trained to handle guns..we not longer live in the days of law abbiders,The threats are real and police are trained to a high level and standards..thank god we dont have the days of the Sweeny when ordinary coppers could use handguns almost ***** nilly.
    I would prefere coppers to not ne armed....but you cant stop a person intent om mayhem witha trucheon...the days of dixion of dock green are over.
     
  16. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Unless you're within a truncheon's reach of them.
     
  17. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    I believe UK police have access to Tasers...
     
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  18. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Is the real problem.

    I suspect that the Americans want to start militarising our Police, in the same way that they have done their own, as part of a post Brexit trade deal. My guess is that this is behind a lot of what is going on.
     
  19. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    At least we will avoid a French style Gendarmerie in that case.
     
  20. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Why are they worse?
     

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