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Please help - query about many jobs advertised today by a school in China

Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by ruthwill500, Mar 7, 2018.

  1. A friend of mine has a relative that worked at the school - and we were recently shocked by the stories told during their winter break. The owners of the school treated the school staff terribly. The owner's mother, who is not part of the staff, rules the roost. She can overrule the principal, HR, and all agreements. The school is in Tianjin and started in 2017. Hopefully that is a stronger clue for those looking for schools to avoid.
  2. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    This is pretty commonplace at many "international" schools around the world, alas. It is by no means confined to China. Sometimes the school's "western" principal will do his or her best to shield the staff from the owner or the owner's family, but alas this does always happen.

    In Qatar, Arabic-speaking parents would rarely bother contacting the head if there was something they did not like. Instead, they would just pick up the phone and call the owner of the school.

    Another problem in Qatar was the Supreme (And Absolutely Perfect) Education Council. Qatari parents would usually have a family friend or relative who worked there, so it was easy to complain. Then the SEC would issue a diktat / fatwah / commandment and the school would be faced with closure if we did not obey. "Western" parents who complained to the SEC (and there were a few) got absolutely nowhere, of course.
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  3. englishdragon

    englishdragon Occasional commenter

    @ lovely.lady >>>>>

    Oh, The grand old Duke of York,
    He had ten thousand chairs;
    He sold them all from the top of the hill,
    To see them all slide down.

    And when they were up, they were up,
    And when they were down, they were down,
    And when they were only half-way up,
    They were neither up nor down.

    I am trying to pm you, but cannot figure out how to start a TES conversation. I wonder if this game of ten thousand bums on ten thousand seats in Shanghai bilingual schools is going up or going down.
    Please pm me.
  4. englishdragon

    englishdragon Occasional commenter

    What will it take to reverse ess.vee.ess.kay.eye.aitch fortunes? 100% of foreign staff leaving or planning to leave, including the SLT. Does anyone have any experience with the Chinese Foreign Teachers Union? Most of their focus appears to be in the ESL sector. Does CFTU have a sub-group for K-12 teachers?
  5. englishdragon

    englishdragon Occasional commenter

  6. ruthwill500

    ruthwill500 New commenter

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  7. ruthwill500

    ruthwill500 New commenter

    Thank you to everyone for their continued feedback. I had not expected I would be initiating such a robust discussion that would take some very interesting twists and turns. Good luck to all of you are fighting so hard to provide a genuine education in most difficult circumstances.
  8. englishdragon

    englishdragon Occasional commenter

    No. That was copied from The Guardian.

    I posted it to try and say "look before you leap". In particular when thinking about this
    [This comment/section/image has been removed for breaching our Community Guidelines/Terms and conditions] bilingual school that is advertising a full suite of teaching jobs to replace 100% of foreign staff turnover.

    The Finnish education system is also the complete opposite of what is happening in these Chinese owned 'international' schools -
  9. ruthwill500

    ruthwill500 New commenter

    Happy Ending, I hope. My husband and I have been offered positions at what appears to be a quality school in southern Thailand. We remain interested in how the original school mentioned in this thread turns out and if the teachers who take positions can settle better than all of the foundation staff who are leaving. Thank you English Dragon - we are certainly indebted to you.
  10. rouxx

    rouxx Lead commenter

    I sincerely hope that what I hear about this outfit isn't true - but suspect it is.

    Good on you @englishdragon for posting.

    And pleased to hear you have a good outcome, @ruthwill500
  11. englishdragon

    englishdragon Occasional commenter

    @rouxx.........sadly available information about this school is very factual.

    100% of foreign teachers are leaving. The Foundation Headmaster and Deputy Head were gone before the end of first term. Chinese teachers are also leaving. A senior colleague from the H school in Beijing that rhymes with wheelbarrow told me they just hired one of the escaping Chinese teachers.

    I agonized about posting anything, but I think it is critical to let people know about the land mines. So many foreign teachers suffer from horrendous and illegal HR practice in these lower tier schools like that Tianjin start-up, of interest to RuthWill500. Based on all the stories, every for-profit Chinese business owned school should be considered a major employment risk until proven otherwise. Thankfully teachers can post information to International Schools Review.

    I have met several teachers well seasoned on the Chinese teaching circuit. Adventurous souls. Their advice to anyone. Always carry your passport, and a wad of cash. When something goes wrong in the school, be prepared to grab the first taxi to the airport and the next flight out of the country. Probably, one should also keep all those important papers at hand. Some teachers did even detour to their apartment on the way. It makes teaching seem like a war zone.

    I guess a staffroom with 0% expat retention rate looks a little like Polygon Wood in 1918.
  12. englishdragon

    englishdragon Occasional commenter

  13. tianjinjustice

    tianjinjustice New commenter

    @seendee - https://community.tes.com/threads/teaching-in-china-tianjin.773543/ Please read ruthwill500 thread.

    Not just every foreign teacher (100%!) all leaving this school in Tianjin. Many Chinese teachers leaving too. Chinese Executive Principal not come back after Chinese New Year. Chinese Year Three teacher not come back after Chinese New Year. Chinese Maths teacher left end second term. More Chinese classroom teachers will leave at the end third term. Specialist foreign subject teacher not come back second term. School replaced with unqualified TEFL instructor. Executive Principal tells Chinese Headmistress and parents TEFL instructor is qualified teacher. TEFL instructor tells truth so staff know. Administration staff leaving all the time.

    @ englishdragon - good picture of staff room. Not safe place.
  14. seendee

    seendee New commenter

    Hi, all! I was wondering about those comments on bad staff management which sounds scary. I wonder in what way that bad management that made the staff left so quickly? how bad is it?
  15. snitzelvonkrumm

    snitzelvonkrumm Occasional commenter

    I am aware of 3 schools, or sets of schools, under the name of traditional UK independent schools that appear to be doing a great disservice in China. Up until now, the word British in a school's title had been considered highly prestigious, one of our great exports - education. It would appear that the 6 letter school in this thread is leading the way, in the destruction of such a reputation. Shame, shame!
  16. englishdragon

    englishdragon Occasional commenter

    @seendee These comments have been posted to try and save future teachers from the trauma experienced by foreign teachers who joined the start up in August last year. The Headmaster left in October. The Deputy Headmaster left in December. The Executive Principle disappeared in February. @tianjinjustice gives updated information about the local Chinese staff in a preceding post.
    0% foreign teacher retention after the first year.
    Read the International Schools Review, a subscription can save your sanity. The ISR reviews discuss some of the ways that bad management made the staff leave so quickly. TES is not an appropriate forum for a detailed list of all these ways. Scary is an understatement.
    In China, some schools are simply run as a for-profit business. The management do not have any education experience. Instead, the management acquired their wealth elsewhere and then think they can make a lot more money opening a school. Principles of sweat shop manufacturing or real estate or some other business become the foundation for an education factory. Human resources is very cut throat, and management is dictatorial. There is only one way. There is systemic contempt for Chinese labor law. There is no consideration of human rights. If you have never been in China, it is very difficult to understand. But, China is an alternate reality.
    The tragic factor is that this school has partnered with a UK school from Kent. The name and branding and website all intimate a strong UK model, ethos and values. Based on the TES advertisements, the UK school does all the foreign recruiting. Staff - local and foreign - believe in the primacy of the UK school when being recruited. Parents also believe their child is being registered for a UK education. But, it is all smoke and mirrors. The Oriental Dynasty rules with a dragon fist. Lives are shredded with callous disregard for human decency.
  17. february31st

    february31st Established commenter

  18. grdwdgrrrl

    grdwdgrrrl Occasional commenter

    I’m not sure about the “long term” part. I think it’s quick money they want to make. International teachers are the cogs and we get chewed up along the way.
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  19. snitzelvonkrumm

    snitzelvonkrumm Occasional commenter

    I have found that Chinese are comfortable to take a long-term view. They are not backward in investing large amounts of to create a facade, but shortcuts where it matters. Either way, best avoided.
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  20. snitzelvonkrumm

    snitzelvonkrumm Occasional commenter

    Is there any news on the success or otherwise of the teachers taking court action in China?
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