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Planning scrutiny? Head, SLT, teachers, governors?

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by Mrs_Hamilton, Nov 9, 2015.

  1. Mrs_Hamilton

    Mrs_Hamilton Occasional commenter

    Now I think I know the answer to this incredulous question...who should 'ask' for your planning? Who should 'scrutinise' your planning?
    Last week we had a planning scrutiny with no warning, and just wondered what others think of this. My planning is in place, and I'm a good/outstanding teacher. All teachers' planning was in place. We're all good teachers.
  2. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Not sure really why anyone should ask for or scrutinise your planning unless they have some cause for concern... even then it'd have to be for supportive reasons [which I doubt in the present climate]

    Good/outstanding teachers should be left alone to get on with being good/outstanding.
  3. Mrs_Hamilton

    Mrs_Hamilton Occasional commenter

    Fat chance in the current climate!
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  4. snowyhead

    snowyhead Lead commenter

    Ofsted don't even expect to see planning during inspections - why do SLT insist on scrutinising it? Aren't book trawls and observations enough proof that teaching and learning are taking place?

    I worked for one head teacher who took in all planning each Friday evening and returned it mid-day Monday - so we had to run off several copies each week (one for teacher, one for TA and one for head). Head would return plans with comments about layout, typos and questions which they expected an answer to eg what misconceptions do you expect to see in this lesson?
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  5. Mrs_Hamilton

    Mrs_Hamilton Occasional commenter

    I thought that too.
    And as an SLT I never asked to see planning.
    Governors scrutinised my planning last week. :-(
  6. snowyhead

    snowyhead Lead commenter

    Did they indeed. Any constructive feedback. No? There's a surprise.
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  7. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Maybe if staff are adamant they differentiate, plan next steps, etc,etc and books and attainment don't show this, then looking at planning seems a sensible option.

    Maybe if a new head wants to have a nosy at the sort of teaching that goes on, a look at planning could help.

    But for a long standing head in a school where they know staff are doing a fab job, I can see no point.
    jlishman2158 likes this.
  8. Oldfashioned

    Oldfashioned Senior commenter

    Your planning, your business. Don't share any planning other than collectively planned medium term and long term plans.
    jlishman2158 likes this.
  9. Yoda-

    Yoda- Lead commenter

    Planning inspection. Something else to control you with and make them feel in control.
    jlishman2158 and sebedina like this.
  10. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    Not only was ALL our planning scrutinised, it was marked 'Ofsted' style. I reckoned that the smaller you wrote and more you crammed in (regardless of whether it could actually be read), the better the grade.

    The answer? Create a code, or learn shorthand, and do it all in that. Planning is for ME, not anyone else.
  11. teacup71

    teacup71 Occasional commenter

    give them the OFSTED clarification document and get them to watch the workload videos. Our foundation subject leaders are taking in medium term planning this term to aid their own professional development and to also check the plans reflect the new curriculum. We are fine with this and we have not been told what format they should be in.
    It all comes down to the confidence of SLT. They should only go over short term plans if a member of staff needs professional development. Even then the SLT would sit down and go through together and give advice.
  12. purplecarrot

    purplecarrot Senior commenter

    The words I'd use for this would have my post moderated off the site.
    If somebody really wanted my 3-5 words in my planner, they're welcome to it. Fine it wouldn't make sense to anyone but me and only somebody in my subject could plan a lesson from it but then that's why I'm a specialist in my area rather than another subject.
    It's a trap. Another thing to justify (usually) excessive executive salaries and allow them to feel superior.

    I'm not saying all leaders are like that. But great leaders tend not to come up with ridiculous ideas.
    midnight_angel likes this.
  13. Ladykaza

    Ladykaza Senior commenter

    What!!??? Why are governors scrutinising planning? This is well beyond their role and responsibilities. The only time I have asked teachers if it's OK to share their planning with governors is to help them understand how much work goes into it and how formative assessment does and should work - quick notes .
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  14. JessicaRabbit1

    JessicaRabbit1 Senior commenter

    Scrutiny of this nature by governors mystifies me as well. I'm one at my children's school, and would never dream of looking at planning or books. If I observe a lesson, it's in the role of critical friend. Yet at the school where I teach, the governors regularly look at both and, according to the Head, make all sorts of demands for improvement. I know some of these people, and they are about as far from qualified teachers as it's possible to get.

    My children's school is graded 'Good'; my workplace is RI - maybe that's the explanation? Or maybe the Head is trying to back up his regime.
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  15. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    Massively outside governors' remit. I've been a governor for several schools and even with my training and experience, I would not dream of scrutinising teachers' planning in my role as a governor - because it is NOT part of a governor's role.

    It's heads who don't know their job and who don't know what the governing body is for.
  16. jarndyce

    jarndyce Occasional commenter

    Was a bit awkward the other day - I am mentoring a trainee for her GTP, and her Schools Direct (or whatever it is) tutor came in for a meeting. We were talking about lesson planning, and he interrogated me, as Head of Department, what my policy was regarding teachers' planning, the format it should be in, how often I required it to be submitted, and so on - ie, implying that I should regularly be doing this to all my very competent department rather than just helping my trainee to figure it what's best for her. Phew! I suppose it's a good job he's a trainer, rather than a headteacher..
  17. drek

    drek Star commenter

    What is the background of these tutors. Does not sound as if they have spent many hours actually teaching? More time on administrative jobs. Ex HR person?
  18. Mrs_Hamilton

    Mrs_Hamilton Occasional commenter

    Well, thanks for the replies.

    My thoughts have been all over the place over the past few weeks. This was the final straw in the fiasco. I feel, despite being 'graded' as good with outstanding (for the whole time I've worked here, just before half term was my last formal obs), i feel as though I'm now being treated as I'm inadequate.

    Resignation letter written.
    I'm very sad.
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  19. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    Heads quite often excuse things they want to do themselves by saying that it is in response to a 'concern raised by the governors'.
  20. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter


    Quick summary of this very sad post . . .

    Best wishes


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