It's interesting Thumbie, cos you say the children I work with find phonics difficult. Why do you assume that? I didn't say that, and their educational background doesn't suggest that. Well, the answer is, THEY DON'T. They find phonics relatively easy. They just haven't been taught very much of it for very many minutes per week, and they've been kept in groups where they learn the same phonemes over and over again when they were capable of more, and then sent home with "look say" reading books which contained every GPC in the English language, and given flashcards of whole words which they think they know but then when the word comes up in a book they muddle them all up if they look at all similar. Also the parents haven't had SP explained to them in any useful way.