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PGCEi suggestions

Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by tonydhaliwal8, Jan 8, 2020.

  1. Michaelsan74

    Michaelsan74 New commenter


    I am currently living and working in Asia and would like to move up from a 'normal' TEFL job. I've read mixed reviews about a PGCEi, does anyone have any suggestions on whether it's a good idea for someone looking to continue living and working in Asia and hoping to get into International Schools?

    I'm aware it doesn't offer QTS, but at the moment I won't be coming back to the UK to teach and see myself staying in Asia for the foreseeable future.

    Many thanks
  2. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    From what I have heard, a PGCEi is not exactly cheap. I am not going to comment about the QTS issue, but I would say that, in my experience, many international schools would prefer to employ teachers who have done a "proper" PGCE. Therefore you might find yourself at a disadvantage, tonyhaliwal8.

    On the other hand, plenty of experience and good references are also very important for most international jobs, so what sort of PGCE you have is only one part of the overall picture.
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  3. yasf

    yasf Established commenter

    Many people use them successfully and have great careers. It does mean, however, that you would have issues if you ever did decide to go back to the UK to teach, and some schools might put you further down the list than you otherwise would be.

    Finally, not all iPGCEs are equal. Do not touch the Robin Hood universities offering - the more schools and countries find out about it, the less respect it garners.
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  4. lucyrose50

    lucyrose50 Occasional commenter

    The main issue you might face with the PGCEi is finding schools to do your placements. You have to set them up yourself, and international schools are usually rather reluctant to take on a student teacher, especially if they don't have any connection with the school, and if it's a core subject. They understandably feel that parents are paying a lot of money to have their children taught by experienced and qualified teachers, so it would not be appropriate to have them taught by a student teacher.
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  5. february31st

    february31st Established commenter

    The real issue is security of employment if visa requirements change. At the moment in China all that is required to obtain a teaching visa is a 3 year Degree, but what happens if the regulations change and teachers now have to provide evidence of QTS.
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  6. makhnovite

    makhnovite Established commenter

    Not Again!!!!

    Sunderland!! ***
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  7. grdwdgrrrl

    grdwdgrrrl Occasional commenter

    At my school we have had a few PGCEi-ers doing their placements with us. They do usually know someone but not always. I would definitely ask at schools or through someone you know teaching in an international school. When I did mine, I sent an email to all the schools around me and I ended up with some choices. And, after I completed it, I got a job at that school.
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  8. Michaelsan74

    Michaelsan74 New commenter

    Thanks for your reply :)
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  9. Michaelsan74

    Michaelsan74 New commenter

    Thanks, I'll definitely be careful of the Robin Hood offers
  10. Michaelsan74

    Michaelsan74 New commenter

    Thanks for your reply. It makes sense that they wouldn't want to be taught by a student teacher. I'll look into what placement options I might have.
  11. Michaelsan74

    Michaelsan74 New commenter

    That's right, visa requirements could absolutely change. If I end up completing a PGCEi, I would strongly consider returning to the UK for QTS only in a few years.
  12. Michaelsan74

    Michaelsan74 New commenter

    Are you suggesting the University of Sunderland is the best option?
  13. Michaelsan74

    Michaelsan74 New commenter

    Thanks for your reply, this sounds promising.
  14. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    i have sent you one of those TES Conversations, Michaelsan74.
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  15. grdwdgrrrl

    grdwdgrrrl Occasional commenter

    Sunderland will offer more teaching possibilities. As it stands, the Nottingham one is not acceptable in Hong Kong but Sunderland is. Sunderland has a very stringent placement and requirement with a mentor and Nottingham does not have the same level of placement required. It assumes you are already in a school or have some experience already.
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  16. yasf

    yasf Established commenter

    That's putting it mildly.
    Quite right too. Nottingham University should be ashamed of themselves. For all practical purposes, you might as well just get a fake certificate from the Khao San Road. It would be about as valid.
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  17. Michaelsan74

    Michaelsan74 New commenter

    Sunderland seems like the way. I currently don't have International School experience. I'm currently working at a language center in Vietnam. Not sure if placements would work at a center.
  18. Michaelsan74

    Michaelsan74 New commenter

    The good ol' Khao San Road haha
  19. Michaelsan74

    Michaelsan74 New commenter

    That's great, which country are they doing their placements in? Hope you don't mind me asking.
  20. nemo.

    nemo. Occasional commenter

    Quicker, cheaper and far better to do a real PGCE back in UK. Even better do the induction year and get a far better job. PGCE means 9 months in UK. An extra year added to that and become far more employable and no Visa hassles with QTS.

    Pgcei surely is only for those that are really stuck eg have a local wife and kids from outside the UK making returning difficult.

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