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PGCEi (international) - insights and advice please!

Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by Mckk, Mar 1, 2019.

  1. february31st

    february31st Established commenter

    Because candidates with iPGCE's will take the lower salary offered.
  2. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    Reputable schools won't employ someone with less experience and a lesser qualification to save money. Simply apply to reputable schools/. Problem solved
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  3. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    Did you happen to meet a really rich dumbell who we hear is one of the greatest educators on the circuit?? :D

    Nahh, i have a feeling old twisty is trolling it. If they were here, which i dont thing they were, we have never met.

    I always feel second best to you "educational martyrs" anyway @makhnovite ,because its "all about the kids" :confused:
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2019
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  4. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    Stop swimming at the bottom end of the pond Feb, Be a risk taker, slip off the arm bands of a national curriculum and come up the better end of the pool with the rest of us ;).

    This is taking me back to a few years ago when good old @february31st came out to support Brexshit.... they had a right good kicking over that..... it does make me laugh though.
  5. twisty08

    twisty08 New commenter

    Never encountered Dumbbells, I don't think. When I was in Luanda there were no obvious hermits who never left the compound.

    Still, the life of Riley on the compound for £200 a month! To each their own.

    I left after a couple of years to work at a higher end establishment (with a healthy pay rise, to boot!)
  6. MsBuzy

    MsBuzy New commenter

    Just like the head of Eton doesn't feel the need.
    By the way, I can offer some English usage lessons courtesy of our excellent English teacher with PGCEi. She would be delighted to teach you how to use the apostrophe of possession and omission appropriately.
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  7. Oli_K

    Oli_K New commenter

    Does anyone else have there QTS certificate behind there desk, should I, starting to worry, what about my GCSE certificate in DR (F Grade, imagine if the parents found out) or my 5m swimming certificate?
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  8. HeroForTheDay

    HeroForTheDay Occasional commenter

    that's quite an assumption made about people you don't know. Those with PGCEi's aren't just desperately accepting any post that comes up. Sure some fresh graduates with PGCEi's might take whatever they're offered but those of us who are on the circuit for over a decade take what we think we are worth. As already mentioned, if you're fighting against fresh grads for jobs with your BEd, PGCE and QTS above your wall then that says a lot more about you.
  9. HeroForTheDay

    HeroForTheDay Occasional commenter

    Only if you managed to swim the whole length without armbands
  10. grdwdgrrrl

    grdwdgrrrl Occasional commenter

    We have a salary scale according to years teaching with a maximum entry point no matter how long you've taught or what your teaching qualification is as long as it's a teaching qualification (including online). Unless you have a masters then you get a bump up in salary but it's still added on to your salary. Just like a responsibility bump, it's added to your base salary.
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  11. yasf

    yasf Established commenter

    Same here.

    I have to say that some of my favourite colleagues who have taught me a thing or two have iPGCEs. I've also mentored some fantastic iPGCE students who also taught me a thing or two.

    The key for me isn't the essays - whether online or in a lecture hall. It's the placement. Being able to team teach, observe and be observed - the collaborative hands on experience is so important in ITT (and afterwards too IMHO). It's when people with the Robin Hood certificate say, "oh - but I have classroom experience. I don't need the placement" that I get worried. It's not the same thing.
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  12. bhughesjob

    bhughesjob New commenter

    so a waste of money then ?
  13. shakes16

    shakes16 New commenter

    This is silly. An iPGCE is a real qualification. Just look at the university's website and you will see it is a real qualification. You can also get QTS with an iPGCE through the AOsomething or other route. Also parents at Chinese int schools wouldn't have a clue what a PGCE or iPGCE is. Some of them might, but most wouldn't. I bet in future, that a lot of teachers in UK schools will have qualified through having an iPGCE. I did a PGCE and I would still do that now as I prefer the on-campus courses to the online ones.The only thing with pGCE courses are that you have to get along with your mentors at your schools otherwise you get dissed no matter if you have a great lesson or not. It is a personal thing. I had one mentor that did not like whatever I did and so I went to another school where they thought I was much better and passed me lol. With the online, distance courses, the mentors will probably be easier to get on with as they will not be in a UK school. Just my 2 pennies worth.
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  14. yasf

    yasf Established commenter

    No, you can't. The Assessment Only (AO) route will allow you to gain QTS irrespective of whether you have an iPGCE or not.
  15. HeroForTheDay

    HeroForTheDay Occasional commenter

    Can you work abroad with QTS but not the qualification ?
  16. shakes16

    shakes16 New commenter

    Sorry but for the AO route you have to have been teaching in a school for 2 years so the course professor at Sunderland told me. This means that most will probably need an iPGCE so they can teach for these 2 years if they are overseas and want to get QTS.
  17. yasf

    yasf Established commenter

    Yes - correct.
    No - incorrect.
    Your apology is accepted.
  18. yasf

    yasf Established commenter

    Yes, but whether the school or the country will accept it will depend.
  19. shakes16

    shakes16 New commenter

  20. yasf

    yasf Established commenter

    There are schools that will hire people without a teaching qualification, much as there are at home. Some of them quite good. If you are signed up with Search Associates you can even do a search asking exactly the following question,"Will consider outstanding and experienced teachers, but without certification"? At the moment 194 schools - including some outstanding ones - have answered 'Yes'.

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