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PGCE that qualifies to teach Law?

Discussion in 'PSHE' started by bumblebeast, Mar 7, 2007.

  1. Hi there

    Am a law graduate wanting to teach law within secondary school (those that offer it - I'm aware its not overly common!).

    Wondering what suggestions other users of the staffroom forums have relating to whether a Citizenship PGCE would be the most suitable teacher training route to pursue?

    Any comments welcome - thanks in advance.
  2. Hi there

    Am a law graduate wanting to teach law within secondary school (those that offer it - I'm aware its not overly common!).

    Wondering what suggestions other users of the staffroom forums have relating to whether a Citizenship PGCE would be the most suitable teacher training route to pursue?

    Any comments welcome - thanks in advance.
  3. I am a law graduate and Citizenship trainee. Citizenship is the most appropriate PGCE for a law grad, however i think you'd be unlikely to get onto a course unless you show commitment to teaching Citizenship as a whole (which does contain a reasonable amount of law). Citizenship encapsulates a number of topics aside from law, there is a hell of a lot of politics (but Public/Constitutional Law should have prepared you adequately for that), economics, media, sustainable development etc... you'd need to show commitment to the teaching of all such areas.

    Also on a practical note, pure teachers of Law in secondary school are rare in the extreme and as Citizenship is a compulsory subject with an increasing number of subject specialists (who will be prepared to teach ALL the aforementioned topics) being brought in by schools, schools will look to these individuals to take on Law, Govt & Politics etc at post-16 level - there is simply no need for them to employ Law teachers.

    Hope this helps xx
  4. Hi I teach Law at Gcse and A level and actually there are quite a number of schools that offer Law.
    You need a Law Degree for A Level and a teaching qualification to teach GCSE.
    I offered Law to a school and they allowed me to teach post 16 for a few years. I then followed the GTP route and I am now a qualified teacher.
  5. Newlyn, have you found that your school requires you to teach other subjects in addition to Law?

    I apologise for my earlier phrasing, when i referred to the fact that not many schools employ 'pure' Law teachers, I was referring to teachers who are employed to purely teach Law, as in my experience those teaching Law also tend to teach Politics, Citizenship etc... I understand that Law is popular at GCSE and Post-16 in many schools, sorry for the confusion.
  6. Hi I teach only Law. It is very popular with over 80 pupils.
    In answer to the other question, yes i am a mother of 3.
  7. In order to teach any subject you normally need a teaching qualification (QTS) ... although even then some schools will be willing to employ unqualified teachers, especially if they have difficulty recruiting staff.

    TDA will be able to tell you if there are any PGCE courses in Law.

    Contrary to what Newlyn says, you do not NEED a Law degree to teach Law (nor do you need an English degree to teach English, or a Maths degree to teach Maths etc). If you have QTS you are qualified to TEACH .... what you teach depends on what you are willing to attempt, and what a Headteacher is willing to trust you to do. If you can prove that you are competent then you may be allowed to teach subjects in which you are not a specialist.

    As an example, I have taught (successfully) in secondary schools, to 'A' level, Law, Sociology, Politics, History, General Studies and Business Studies as well as my degree subject - Economics.

    A Law degree would help you gain entrance to a PGCE in Citizenship (most such PGCE's seek people with Law, Politics, Sociology, Economics ... because the subject is a mixture of these). However, if you are thinking about 2007/2008 courses youi need to be quick ... most are close to full!

    You would need to prove a commitment to Citizenship (which can be very rewarding) but you couold well get the opportunity to teach Law during your PGCE - if you express that desire - and would certainly be able to apply for Law jobs afterwards (though these are scarce).

    I presently run a Citizenship PGCE (before you ask, we're full for next year). Over the last 3 years we've had 2/3 Law graduates each year in the cohort of 15 students. All of them have gone on to secure teaching jobs ... and most are teaching a mix of Citizenship and Law ... the Law to 'A' level.
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  8. I Just wanted to ask which subject you specialised in during your GTP...?
    I'm currently a 2nd year Law student looking to apply for a PGCE for secondary and Higher (sixth form etc)...I want to teach Law but I haven't seen anywhere that offers Law on a PGCE programme however I know that a GTP is not looked on nationally the same as a PGCE so i'd prefer to do that...
    Does that mean i have to do a PGCE in citizenship then apply to actually teach Law...?
    Also, if i wish to go on to teach at a higher level does that mean I have to complete the post compulsory PGCE...!?!

  9. Look for PGCE Lifelong Learning Courses if you wish to teach further education (post 16). This is what I am currently studying and I am specialising in Law.

    At the moment you need to do a PGCE with QTS to teach at secondary level and a PGCE with QTLS to teach at post 16. Although the law on this may be changing soon so that you can also teach secondary if you have QTLS.
  10. Hi

    I am a Law teacher in a secondary school. I did a business Studies PGCE after completing a law degree and the LPC and working in industry for 20 years. I decided to do the PGCE in Business Studies rather than Citizenship as there seems to be more jobs out there in teaching Business. Law is very often (although not always obviously) coupled with the Business Studies department in schools. AQA lump it together with Business Studies and Economics. I originally got a job as a Business Studies teacher although my ability to teach A level law was a factor in me getting a job. I'm now in my 4th year of teaching and teach all Law (A level, BTEC level 3 Applied Law) I have been lucky in that my school has been happy for me to expand the department and I am now known as Mrs Law!! In answer to the original question my personal view is a Business Studies PGCE is a much better option than Citizenship - but this is purely from personal experience - hope it helps!
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    Noteasyprofession New commenter

    Thanks so much for really useful information and sharing your experience

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