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PGCE Still Cannot Find NQT Job

Discussion in 'Jobseekers' started by dmuk, Jun 2, 2011.

  1. Hello,
    I am writing this on behalf of a friend who is currently completing their PGCE this month (June 2011). Unfortunately they have not yet found a NQT position even after a pool applications and other interviews. I am trying to better understand the NQT job seeking process to offer them some support.
    They have approximately 4 years early years work experience and the same amount of relevant study experience. Work includes private and public nursery settings. Study includes a BA in Early Years. Their PGCE specialisation is in a foreign language (the same as their mother tongue). They were not born or schooled in the UK however have lived and studied in the UK for 5+ years.
    From what I gather, qualified PGCE students need to undertake a year of teaching to attain their QTS. Therefore landing a job for September is a great start career wise. Any other alternatives (such as volunteer/supply work) do not count to your QTS.
    Job search so far has consisted of applications through placement school, NQT pools and direct. Aiming for a primary school within the London borough (North or South).
    So questions:
    1) At what stage do jobs for September dry up? I know there was a deadline for teacher resignations in May/June but does this impact the job market?
    2) Would a non-UK schooling background disadvantage a candidate?
    3) How are accents or English as second language perceived by employers? How can one better present themselves (eg IELTS, speech therapy)? I know this is even a challenge for UK born candidates.
    4) What alternatives to full time NQT role exist for achieving QTS status?
    I will continue to read the many helpful articles posted on this site. I suspect that perseverance and determination are needed to find work in this competitive market?
    Many thanks in advance.

     
  2. Hello,
    I am writing this on behalf of a friend who is currently completing their PGCE this month (June 2011). Unfortunately they have not yet found a NQT position even after a pool applications and other interviews. I am trying to better understand the NQT job seeking process to offer them some support.
    They have approximately 4 years early years work experience and the same amount of relevant study experience. Work includes private and public nursery settings. Study includes a BA in Early Years. Their PGCE specialisation is in a foreign language (the same as their mother tongue). They were not born or schooled in the UK however have lived and studied in the UK for 5+ years.
    From what I gather, qualified PGCE students need to undertake a year of teaching to attain their QTS. Therefore landing a job for September is a great start career wise. Any other alternatives (such as volunteer/supply work) do not count to your QTS.
    Job search so far has consisted of applications through placement school, NQT pools and direct. Aiming for a primary school within the London borough (North or South).
    So questions:
    1) At what stage do jobs for September dry up? I know there was a deadline for teacher resignations in May/June but does this impact the job market?
    2) Would a non-UK schooling background disadvantage a candidate?
    3) How are accents or English as second language perceived by employers? How can one better present themselves (eg IELTS, speech therapy)? I know this is even a challenge for UK born candidates.
    4) What alternatives to full time NQT role exist for achieving QTS status?
    I will continue to read the many helpful articles posted on this site. I suspect that perseverance and determination are needed to find work in this competitive market?
    Many thanks in advance.

     
  3. I'm nearing the end of my P.G.C.E course.

    Out of 25 of us in my group, ONE has a job lined up for September.

    That's how it is right now. Can't help give any advice, otherwise I'd have a job myself! Just a case that there's so many people after so few jobs.
     
  4. That doesn't sound great. May I ask what part of the country you're in and the level of experience of your class mates?
    Also, what was the reception like at the placement schools? How did the "one" secure a position?
    How encouraging has the uni been? The uni career guidance and tutors seem rather weak in providing real support.
     
  5. cally1980

    cally1980 Established commenter

    i finished my PGCE this time last year and while uni supported us well for all things to do with the course and placement, they are not there to assist with the job hunt other than perhaps to offer interview advice! As the previous poster stated, it really is a buyers market - there are so many unemployed teachers and so schools can take their pick. I work in North London and there have been a fair few jobs advertised in my borough, however there have been dozens of applications for every position, sometimes in the 100's! All your friend can do is follow the advice given here, prepare well and keep trying.
     
  6. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Yes. Vital. And for the last 2-3 years it has been difficult; fewer than half of last year's (2010) got a job by Christmas. Vital and hard in current climate.
    But London easier.
    Q1 Now people have handed in their notice for September on 31 May, there will be a flurry of jobs that need to be filled, and only those not in permanent employment can apply.
    So there will be more jobs, and your friend will have a good chance!
    Make sure that s/he opens the Welcome thread here on JobSeekers and reads the shortlisting clickables inside, to get advice that has really helped othet posters.
    The benefit of an executive summary
    Dear Theo: Executive summary works- I have an interview
    taking Theo's Advice
    Q2 Depends if it was in a British curriculum school or not, and above all, how it is presented. Can be presented very positively as giving empathy and understanding of situation of children from different backgroiunds. Important in big multi-cultural cities like London.
    Q3 There must be appropriate written and oral communication skills for effective communication with pupils, parents and colleagues. Again, the abilkity to speak and write a Community Language should be presented as a positive in an application.
    Q4 Well, part-time posts - but they are harder than FT to find.
    Final advice: I reckon that your friend needs urgently to come to one of our Job seminars. Lots of people have found them very useful, and in his/her case, to gain a good understanding of how the English job application system works is absolutely essential.
    Sunday 26 June, in central London
    www.tesweekendworkshop29.eventbrite.com
    We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, and do practical exercises to help you see what you need to do.
    Here are some recent comments from people who have attended:
    • Frankly, the best delivered seminar I have ever attended.
    • This has been a very useful and well organised seminar with practical tips for improving the difficult task of selling yourself.
    • Excellent advice, very helpful for executive summaries
    • This has been terrific and has really met my needs.
    • This was particularly useful for writing a personal statement
    • The pace was perfect and unlike some CPD activities, the practical sessions were enjoyable and useful.
    • I fully enjoyed the seminar and it has taught me a great deal. Specifically I found the practical activities very useful
    • Fantastic presenters, very useful, highly recommended.
    • Fabulous, really helpful!
    • I followed what I learnt on the seminar and have just landed my dream job!
    • After attending your course I have just accepted my first teaching post.
    • Since attending the course I've applied for two positions, and am shortlisted for both.
    _____________________________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Workshops. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    New <u>Job Seminars</u> on Sunday 26 June.
    www.tesweekendworkshop29.eventbrite.com
    Probably more in the early autumn ready for the next lot of job ads to come out. Keep an eye out for the dates!

    A new <u>Moving into Headship and SLT</u> seminar is on 18 June.
    www.tesweekendworkshop29.eventbrite.com
    See the full programme www.tes.co.uk/careerseminars


    E-mail Julia on advice@tsleducation.com for how to book a meeting with me personally.Look forward to seeing you!
     
  7. Theo,

    Thanks for the reply. I shared your response with my friend and this has given them a real pick up.

    1) How come London is fairing better than other areas? Do any official stats get published on PGCE graduates employment rates?

    2) My friend believes their interview performances may be letting them down. The workshop suggestion seems like sound advice.

    Is there anything my friend can do (before the workshop) to improve their interviewing skills? For example: on line services, career coaches or similar?

    Will there be any network opportunities at the June 26th session?
     
  8. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Q1 London always has more jobs, as people tend to leave a lot. PLUS lots ofmogration bringing children in, especially primary.
    Q2 TES offers interview coaching - see Julia's e-mail below
    Q3 No opportunities to meet schools or employers, no, but other candidates yes.
    _____________________________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Workshops. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    New <u>Job Seminars</u> on Sunday 26 June.
    www.tesweekendworkshop29.eventbrite.com
    Probably more in the early autumn ready for the next lot of job ads to come out. Keep an eye out for the dates!

    A new <u>Moving into Headship and SLT</u> seminar is on 18 June.
    www.tesweekendworkshop29.eventbrite.com
    See the full programme www.tes.co.uk/careerseminars


    E-mail Julia on advice@tsleducation.com for how to book a meeting with me personally.Look forward to seeing you!
     
  9. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Not quite, it hasn't yet been finally agreed. But it's on its way.
    The post above is rather weird - you would expect someone organising a petition to be keeping up to date with what's going on in his/her field of interest.
    ___________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Seminars. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    www.tes.co.uk/careerseminars
     
  10. ha ha, funny this. OP get with it!!
     

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