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PGCE PCE conversion to secondary

Discussion in 'Career clinic' started by EADGBE, Oct 24, 2015.


    EADGBE New commenter

    I graduated with a PGCE in PCE 2014 hoping to teach art in a FE college I have BA hons 1st class in Fine Art and an MA in Fine Art. I have not found any work in FE except a 2 hr per week adult recreational class that has not run as it did not reach the enrollment requirement of the college. Had I been teaching this course I would have been financially worse off than no job but I was prepared to do it to build up my CV. The FE sector is suffering severe cutbacks and I believe this is the reason for the scarcity of jobs.
    I have recently been applying for jobs in secondary, aware that I do not have QTS, and that the QTLS process involves having employment to start with. However in a conversation with an agency yesterday it became apparent that jobs for NQTs in secondary are given to people with PGCE in secondary and my only option is to work as a cover supervisor outside of my own subject specialism for half the pay of a teacher. This is very bad news indeed as I took out the student loan and also have gone into debt for smart clothes for interviews, many books, and art materials for my subject research. Do I have any comeback against my university for this loss, or could I even take the government to European Court for the policies that have robbed me of my money and livelihood?
    Is there such a thing as a conversion course from PCE to Secondary and where would I find it?
    Or can you offer any other advice please?
  2. MrMedia

    MrMedia Star commenter

    You can work for a free school or academy, but you will not achieve parity without QTS. However, you could find a job first and then do self assessment QTS. It is a hard ask.
    My advice would be to swallow the pride and do a QTS course. Whoever advised you to do the QTLS advised you badly.

    EADGBE New commenter

    Thank you for your reply,
  4. DYNAMO67

    DYNAMO67 Lead commenter

    What policy are you talking about first of all? This is going to sound harsh, and i am sorry, but you made a big error doing a post compulsory PGCE. particularly in a subject like art. It is hard to find a job in secondary education in art, never mind in post compulsory. Did you do your research before you started?

    If you have QLTS you HAVE got QTS (they are the same thing I think) but it is irrelevant as you don't have the experience of training for the phase you would be applying for if you went for a secondary job.

    I think you could retrain and get another PGCE... I think. You would have to speak to an admission tutor. The agency are right, course schools will prefer people with secondary PGCE qualifications, it goes without saying. We could put an advert out tomorrow and get plenty of applications from qualified teachers for art, so your chance of getting a job without it are slim. If you want to teach, look into qualifying. It will cost a lot though (you wouldn't be entitled to any support with fees i guess) and there is no guarantee of a job even if you are a good teacher.
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  5. mandala1

    mandala1 Occasional commenter

    Realistically you need to do QTS. You could look at salaried School Direct programmes that lead to QTS only.
  6. CWadd

    CWadd Star commenter

    Do I have any comeback against my university for this loss, or could I even take the government to European Court for the policies that have robbed me of my money and livelihood?


    You're either going to have to do a PGCE or stay in the shrinking FE sector. And I'm afraid you will have to pay for it. Art is not a subject in demand - there have been cuts in Art Depts due to the rise of the EBacc.

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