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PGCE change from early years to older primary (5-11) ?

Discussion in 'Trainee and student teachers' started by ChipM87, Jun 12, 2010.

  1. Hello (Ive posted this on another board but wondered if James or any current students had any advice/experience for this!), I've recently been accepted onto a PGCE specialising in early years. I chose early years as I have years of experience volunteering in my mums Nursery (alongside 3 years of KS1) and have always enjoyed it, I interact well with the young children and enjoy seeing them learn and grow. I have over the years also had some KS2 experience, but very limited in comparison, and so just sort of discounted it as I had so much more experience with early years. However over the last couple of months i've been volunteering in a local primary school with what was supposed to be Yr1, however the overbooked students and so I ended up in a mixed Yr3/4 class and have absolutely loved it, and, going back into a nursery for the last 2 days i've realised I would really prefer to teach older children, so KS1 and 2 rather than the very little early years children, although I do still enjoy it. I do realise that it is entirely my own fault for not getting enough experience in KS2 before I applied, so i'm not looking for anyone to tell me off! I do realise this is my own fault, i just thought I had so much EY and KS1 experience that that would be my obvious path, however i've not realised it may not be! I just wondered if anyone knew if it would be at all possible or worth enquiring with my university if it would be possible to swap onto the straight primary course from early years? Or will it be that there would not be enough room for me possibly? Im worried it would be frowned on if i did even enquire and I don't want to give a bad name for myself before i even get there! I know my university gear everyone doing primary (EY and straight) to be able to teach up to KS 2 (ie. we are all taught subject knowledge up to KS2 and have identical lessons) - with the only exception being when the straight primary have french lessons, the early years specialist go and have EY lectures and also our middle block being in EY, with straight primary in KS2, so I do know it would be entirely possible to teach an older age range in primary, i'm just worried in the current job market, it will be a disadvantage if I had no KS2 teaching experience from my PGCE - is this a realistic worry? - Anyway, just looking for a little advice, I know i'm lucky to just have a place and will obviously stick to doing EY specialism if necessary as I know I would be able to teach at KS2, I just think I would prefer to have KS2 teaching experience, as I now really can't see myself ever teaching at EY, I would probably always aim for KS1 or 2! - Thankyou!
     
  2. Hello (Ive posted this on another board but wondered if James or any current students had any advice/experience for this!), I've recently been accepted onto a PGCE specialising in early years. I chose early years as I have years of experience volunteering in my mums Nursery (alongside 3 years of KS1) and have always enjoyed it, I interact well with the young children and enjoy seeing them learn and grow. I have over the years also had some KS2 experience, but very limited in comparison, and so just sort of discounted it as I had so much more experience with early years. However over the last couple of months i've been volunteering in a local primary school with what was supposed to be Yr1, however the overbooked students and so I ended up in a mixed Yr3/4 class and have absolutely loved it, and, going back into a nursery for the last 2 days i've realised I would really prefer to teach older children, so KS1 and 2 rather than the very little early years children, although I do still enjoy it. I do realise that it is entirely my own fault for not getting enough experience in KS2 before I applied, so i'm not looking for anyone to tell me off! I do realise this is my own fault, i just thought I had so much EY and KS1 experience that that would be my obvious path, however i've not realised it may not be! I just wondered if anyone knew if it would be at all possible or worth enquiring with my university if it would be possible to swap onto the straight primary course from early years? Or will it be that there would not be enough room for me possibly? Im worried it would be frowned on if i did even enquire and I don't want to give a bad name for myself before i even get there! I know my university gear everyone doing primary (EY and straight) to be able to teach up to KS 2 (ie. we are all taught subject knowledge up to KS2 and have identical lessons) - with the only exception being when the straight primary have french lessons, the early years specialist go and have EY lectures and also our middle block being in EY, with straight primary in KS2, so I do know it would be entirely possible to teach an older age range in primary, i'm just worried in the current job market, it will be a disadvantage if I had no KS2 teaching experience from my PGCE - is this a realistic worry? - Anyway, just looking for a little advice, I know i'm lucky to just have a place and will obviously stick to doing EY specialism if necessary as I know I would be able to teach at KS2, I just think I would prefer to have KS2 teaching experience, as I now really can't see myself ever teaching at EY, I would probably always aim for KS1 or 2! - Thankyou!
     
  3. Hey. When I originally applied for my PGCE I had experience in Key Stage 1 and only wanted to teach in that age range and older but my uni of chose only had early years left. So I chose the early years. At the beginning of the course I did feel like I should be with the older children but this soon changed. On my FS placement I feel in love with reception and now have a job as a reception teacher in September. From my experience it does not matter too much what you train in. Some of my friends on my course have got jobs in year 2 and 3 for September. However, I think the training for the early years course (well certainly mine) is very geared towards the early years and we miss out on a lot of subject knowledge that the general primary and key stage 2 specialists get. At my uni the general primary tends to get very full early on in the year before the course starts so I'm not sure how easy it would be for you to change. What you could do is start the course and then talk to your tutor in the first week or so as some people might drop out which would give you the chance to change. I still think that you would easily get a key stage 1 or lower key stage 2 job after the course and in a few years you could always ask your headteacher to move further up the school. The course is extremely challenging and the most work you are likely to ever do so you need to make sure you are happy with your decision. Good luck :)
     
  4. I had this same dilemma before starting my EY PGCE course and enquired about changing t primary but the course was already full. It's not going to hurt to ask but be prepared that they may be full. If it's what you really want to do, look into doing it somewhere else - but again, most places will already be full by now. My EY course, like Mandy85's, is very EY based and we do a lot on EYFS with just one KS1 placement, so do make sure EY is what you want to do. As you are aware we can teach any year, and I know people who do, but initially it makes sense to work in KS1 or FS, but there's no reason after a few years you can't move year groups if your Headteacher is happy. Like Mandy85 said, it is extremely demanding and has been the hardest year of my life so far and I've been one of the lucky ones who hasn't had a bad placement. Not trying to scare you off, just be prepared and make sure you are happy with your decision x
     
  5. I was interested in your thread - I have much less experience of ANY classroom than you (OP) but the volunteering I have done has steered me very much toward year 1-3 than FS! I chose an early years course as I had to be in this location due to having my own child. We are now being asked by the course provider to state an early preference for age group and the form includes KS2 so can only think they let you have a placement in that stage.... Let's hope so. My course director has said - as the other posters have mentioned - that you can work in any year group so long as you can convince the Head etc that you'd do a good job. I can see your dilemma though and I hope you get to change onto General Primary if that's what will ultimately make you happier. Do let us know what you decide. x
     
  6. Hello, where are you going to undertake your study? I applied for 'early years' at Derby but got offered the 'primary' phase so accepted that as it was the only offer on the table. I too am in the same situation but the opposite way around.
     

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