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Petition: Make it obligatory for teachers to hold Qualified Teaching Status

Discussion in 'Education news' started by FrankWolley, Jul 27, 2016.

  1. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

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  2. stupot101

    stupot101 Established commenter

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  3. stupot101

    stupot101 Established commenter

    Now 106:)
     
  4. delnon

    delnon Lead commenter

    I've just received an e-mail to say that the petition has been rejected "as there is already a petition on this"

    The other petition is here (I hope) It isn't as wide-ranging as the rejected petition - now there's a surprise - asking only that all teachers have QTS.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/signatures/24414950/signed?token=RFrrns6dNVpSFtNKVOM

    and has, at the moment of signing, 107 signatures. Isn't democracy womderful?
     
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  5. stupot101

    stupot101 Established commenter

    Yes. Our beloved politicians loe 'democracy' when it works in their favour.:mad::(
     
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  6. stupot101

    stupot101 Established commenter

    Sorry that shoud read 'love' and not 'loe':(

    Need a better keyboard. Letters are sometimes missed out of words:);)
     
  7. delnon

    delnon Lead commenter

    The important bit is that you put 'democracy' in inverted commas, as is proper. :)
     
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  8. les25paul

    les25paul Star commenter

    I've signed the newer peptition, but with only 116 signatures and a deadline just months away I think it was only a token gesture,

    Its a disappointment how little support there is to protect the QTS status people have worked hard to achieve:(.
     
  9. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Signed...

    I mean OK, most of the stuff on my PGCE was theoretically guff ... but really, who ever heard of an unqualified airline pilot?



    Hello I'm your surgeon for the day, I'll be operating on your heart.

    Nice to meet you doctor.

    Oh, I'm not a doctor, I just really fancied this gig and the hospital needed to save some wonga.
     
  10. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    And FB shared...
     
  11. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    I do not think teachers without QTS are any kind of a problem at the moment. The problem right now, and it is going to get worse, is too many teachers with QTS and not enough subject specialists, especially in Primary.
     
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  12. nearmiss

    nearmiss Lead commenter

    It's also important to lobby your MP. The Education policies of all parties but the Greens just don't cover this.
    Only when the teacher shortage reaches such a crisis that there are 50 kids in a class being taught by parent volunteers and sixth formers, will there be a real outcry.
    I have seen the damage unqualified teachers can do to a GCSE class and been persecuted for reporting it to HT and governors.
     
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  13. redlamp2

    redlamp2 Occasional commenter

    Given the choice of employing somebody straight from university after a studying a year of theoretical guff vs an unqualified but highly skilled and experienced subject specialist that has made a career change, I know which I'd prefer.

    Oh but the school budget can only afford an NQT. Ah yes, right, best get on with signing that petition...
     
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  14. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Hang on...I don't have my Maths GCSE and could never get a job in a state school. I have a higher ed PGCE. Wouldn't that mean I'd bpnever get work? And what about all the hardworking good indie school staff, many of whom do not have QTS but are good teachers?
     
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  15. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Given mine has just resigned as Prime Minister, I don't think he'll be taking too much notice just now. :cool:
    Give him a month or two when boredom steps in and he might.

    Most independents appoint qualified teachers, but many also have long serving staff who are not qualified, but are specialists. An ex coach from a national hockey team is likely to be a better candidate on the day than a sports science graduate with a PGCE in PE.
    However, by allowing this, you do give opportunities for any Tom, Dick or Harry to 'cover' classes.
     
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  16. redlamp2

    redlamp2 Occasional commenter

    Not a problem. Become a CEO.
     
  17. MrMedia

    MrMedia Star commenter

    The problem is quite simply this:

    The more deprived your background the more likely you are to be taught by an unqualified teacher or a teacher without a post-18 qualification in the subject they are teaching you

    The Govian argument that led to this state of affairs was that there are some outliers who are good at teaching without the qualification. Our argument is that with a PGCE, those outliers would be even better teachers. There's nothing wrong with paying a very promising teacher a sensible bursary to do a PGCE in lieu of a first year's salary. There is something called 'salaried' SD for this very purpose.

    Unqualified teachers are used, in the main, to deprive the children of poorer people from their educational entitlement and that extra money is then engineered out of the system and into the pockets of those who are attracted to education to make 'really serious money' (Wilshaw, 2015).
     
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  18. redlamp2

    redlamp2 Occasional commenter

    Admittedly the levels of deprivation facing those attending independent schools is quite shocking. I saw one arrive in a ten year old Range Rover. Terrible poverty.
     
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  19. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Would you post the stats behind these assertions? Thanks.
     
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  20. delnon

    delnon Lead commenter

    Would you post the stats to prove the opposite? Thanks.
     
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