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PE Teaching offers - advice needed! Qatar & China

Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by MattyS10, Jun 5, 2017.

  1. MattyS10

    MattyS10 New commenter

    Hello fellow teachers (and everyone this applies too)!
    I’ll try keep this to the point because I would love some guidance on my next steps with my career.

    Basically I have 3 offers (yes lucky) for Aug/Sep and they’ve all come about at once after not having much luck.

    I have 2 years full time teaching experience, 1 year part time (now) and loads of part time experience as an unqualified teacher (PE Specialist).

    So for September I have 3 options and need to make a decision pretty swiftly. I have 3 teaching offers that are in UK, Doha Qatar and Beijing China.

    What I need help with is comparison of salaries and countries because it’s obviously a big and possibly life changing decision.

    Doha – Qatar
    Salary: 17500 qar tax free (£44k)
    Accommodation: 3 months provided
    Flights allowance given and medical provided
    Direct to school job
    2 year contract
    Working 07.30am-2.30/3.30pm

    I need to pay around £400 upfront before July to sort out document transfer etc.

    The school is new, international and right near the main city. The classes would be small and I have done a face to face interview for the job.

    Beijing – China
    Salary: 340000rmb (£38k)
    Accommodation: Allowance monthly of 6000rmb (£600)
    Flights and medical provided
    Job through agency
    2 year contract
    Working 8am-5pm

    This is an established school, although I cannot find reviews anywhere for it. I got the job over Skype. The classes would be small and it is an international school.

    UK – England
    Salary: 33k
    Accommodation: not provided (just to compare to the others)
    Job direct to school
    Permanent contract
    Working 8.30am-4.30pm

    This is an established Indian independent school. There are mixed reviews online. The classes again would be small.

    I’ll add a couple more things, I do have a girlfriend but I’m not certain where it would go in the future, be hard nonetheless but its also a factor (she does want to return to her native country Romania at some point).

    I’m torn as to which is the best offer as well as which country to live in (I am from England). I have compared cost of living in the 3 countries. Im quite introverted, dont drink much or go out a lot, but do love a city (living in Canary Wharf/Greenwich was amazing) but want to make sure I take the best opportunity.

    I also suffer from Hay Fever (grass and tree pollen) and have no idea how it would be abroad.

    Any advice would be massively appreciated.

    Thank you all in advance
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  2. fmohamed1234

    fmohamed1234 New commenter

    I would hold on at the moment with Qatar. Hope things get resolved soon.
  3. jdgoliath9

    jdgoliath9 New commenter

    I cant give advice on China, but be careful with Qatar at the moment. It was announced today that Saudi, and UAE are cutting ties with them so it could become very unstable possibly.
  4. Jason_Bourne_

    Jason_Bourne_ Established commenter

    I would be tempted to go to Qatar but I'm sure you have read the news today...? The salary of 17.5k per month is good, especially considering your experience. What happens to your accomodation after 3 months? Do you have to find your own place? You didn't mention an accomodation allowance... which means that you 17.5k per month salary will easily become 11.5k per month after paying for a small apartment. (We stayed in a villa which our school was paying 15k per month, yes, rent is very expensive in Qatar!!)

    I would go to Beijing, there may be plenty of pollution but your cost of living would be considerably less than Qatar and you'll able to experience some culture!
    jdgoliath9 likes this.
  5. lottee1000

    lottee1000 Occasional commenter

    I would avoid Qatar for now, friends there have been told them may not be able to fly.fly home next month due to air space issues following yesterday''s announcement. China might be good, it's a long way from Romania though... and not good for your health.
    Where in UK? 33K is plenty in some parts, much less in others...
  6. MattyS10

    MattyS10 New commenter

    Thanks for the replies so far guys.

    To give more details;
    After 3 months in Qatar I would need to find a flat. For them 3 months I have slightly lower salary.

    33k would be in central London, so the lowest saving potential of the 3 but no moving costs.

    I like Qatar for the sun, living and tax free salary, but China may help me save more and experience more culture as you have said but is polluted. Isn't Doha also polluted?

  7. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    No where is as polluted as China, not even close. Definitely look online for what accomodation you would be able to afford on that salary as that might make the decision for you
  8. blueskydreaming

    blueskydreaming Lead commenter

    You need to consider what others have said about Qatar.

    The air/land borders with Qatar's neighbours have been cut off - what do you think are going to be the implications for people living there? How will they get supplies of food? You wouldn't be able to pop to Dubai for the weekend, you'd be stuck. Qatar has been accused of supporting terrorism - Will it be safe on the ground? Especially for foreigners? What if the situation escalates?
  9. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    Ask about moving cost to china. Any decent schools will completely cover them.

    Its next to impossible for a British school to come even close to the savings potential of an international school. You will be amazed what you wont pay for. Even a very low international salary is mors than M6 in the UK, and that doesnt even come close to the true value of the "package" they provide.

    In my mind its an easy descision....it dsfinitely WONT be the UK
  10. MattyS10

    MattyS10 New commenter

    Thanks again.

    Ive had a mate and teacher friend live in Qatar, and both said my salary offered is low as only 3 month of accommodation and living costs but its really nice there (minus drinking costs but I hardly drink - gives me hayfever in the summer).

    Anyway, with all the stuff on the news my potential employer messaged us saying not to worry, but without getting into politics - it's hard not to think how much it could affect us even in a few months.

    Just to reiterate, although taxed, the School in Beijing are offering 38k plus 600 quid month for rent and covering flights plus international medical cover.
    I think that is good and I need to work in an international school for experience.

    Working in London, it's a case of good to be in an independent school.

    I'd rather not have to pay 400 quid up front either.

    Anything else you guys think could help?

    Appreciate it all.
  11. Jason_Bourne_

    Jason_Bourne_ Established commenter

    Whichever country you move to you will need to pay for your certificates to be notarised and attested so the 400 quid that you are referring to will need to be paid regardless of which country you are moving to.

    It's easy for the school in Qatar to tell you not to worry about the recent events but what assurances are they going to provide to ensure you will have a job in September? A contract of employment which isn't worth the paper that it's written on...? Furthermore, you'll be joining a new school trying to establish itself in a competitivemarket and that is never easy.
    blueskydreaming likes this.
  12. mermy

    mermy Occasional commenter

    China seems your best bet, as other said, politics in Qatar no good and UK virtually no savings potential. Deal with the pollution for a couple of years and move on. Salary not too bad which represents your experience and everything else seems covered.

    The problem I see (she will hate me for calling her your problem, sorry :rolleyes:) is your girlfriend. If I'm right, you won't be able to get a dependents visa for her unless you are married. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm quite sure you need to be married to live together either in China or Qatar.
  13. blueskydreaming

    blueskydreaming Lead commenter

    For China you will need to get an international police check (£60), and get it notarised and legalised by the FCO and Chinese embassy, as well as getting your degree and teaching degree certificates notarised and legalised (cost me about £430 for all 3); you'll also need some kind of medical - some have been asked to get chest xrays, while I was only asked for blood tests (£80). You also need to pay for the visa, which is between £150-175 depending on if you get it yourself from the embassy (2 trips to London or Manchester), or choose the postal option.

    You will also need to pay for your plane tickets, and reclaim the costs once in the country providing you have kept you ticket stubs.
  14. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    My advice would be to contact an overweight and smelly African swamp-dwelling creature. He has spent five years in Qatar and is now doing his fourth in China (not in Beijing). You could send him one of those silly TES "Conversation" things and he will send you his e-mail address.

    Is this spat between Doha and the Magic Kingdom going to drag on? The bad news is that it has flared up before and the Al Thanis talked their way out of it last time. Now, however, it seems that "enough is enough", so the Saudis (and their allies) are not going to back down sometime soon. Therefore the economic, social and political implications for Qatar are pretty blooming serious.
  15. Jason_Bourne_

    Jason_Bourne_ Established commenter

    I forgot to mention that you won't be able to live with your girlfriend in Qatar - it is illegal to do so... you will need to marry here if you intend on living with her in Qatar...
  16. Teachallover

    Teachallover Occasional commenter

    I'm so sorry to sound negative Matty but personally I would decline all 3! UK as it's U.K teaching. I wouldn't step foot in the Middle East, especially Qatar.

    I'm leaving Beijing this summer and must point out that accommodation is very expensive. Unless you live miles out in the middle of nowhere without transport links, you are looking at high costs of renting, significantly more than your offer.
    Think beyond the initial costs of moving over, notarising documents and medicals etc. How much are you going to save if you are paying a huge amount in rent each month? Deposits cost a fortune if your school doesn't pay, it can be up to 3 months up front in RMB. The starting salary at my school is quite a lot higher than what you are quoting.
    I'm sorry but hope you appreciate honesty. Best of luck with what you decide.
  17. isotonic

    isotonic Occasional commenter

    Are you working at Saudi ARAMCO if your schools starting salary is a lot higher than 17k riyal per month!
  18. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

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  19. Teachallover

    Teachallover Occasional commenter

    I'm talking about the Beijing offer, I would never go to Qatar
    Last edited: Jun 7, 2017
  20. Jason_Bourne_

    Jason_Bourne_ Established commenter

    17k per month including the accomodation allowance is not particularly appealing!
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